Recommended Soundfonts?

Hey y'all,

I am trying to -viddump a demo, and I'm not getting the music for some reason. According to this thread, portmidi and SDL don't work with -viddump. Now that I've changed to fluidsynth, the music sounds like crap. Can anybody recommend me the "best" soundfont to use for Doom midis? Searching Google is overwhelming, 'cuz there are literally thousands of them out there...

Thanks!

If you mean a soundfont to make the music sound better to listen to, I found this.

Download: https://www.mediafire.com/file/zo8l3dgf2989266/SGM-V2.01.7z

EDIT: Here's another I found, if you feel like checking out another.

http://schristiancollins.com/generaluser.php

If you require TiMidity or something else to use this, then here's a pack of midi devices: http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/audiopack-for-zdoom-and-gzdoom

Wow, that sounds pretty good with Jazz. :-P Less impressive with metal, but still an improvement. I'll go with this for now, I guess.

SC-55.sf2 or https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=25409& . I use both and just jump between the two, But the first generally sounds better with old fps because most of them were done with it in mind.

SGM-V2.01 was mentioned and that's the one that I use for Zandro and GZDoom. There's also others like Arachno soundfont or Timbres of Heaven...

I second the SGM recommendation. One of my favorite free sf2's. Another good one is Shadow, though I think the only way to get that is through a collection torrent. I recorded my Reverie tracks with it years ago. Here's an example that Jimmy, Stuart, and I worked on for Reverie:

These days I just use the SBLive soundfont. It sounds at least good with just about everything, and I suspect a lot of songs were written with it in mind.

http://www.alsa-project.org/~james/sound-fonts/8MBGMSFX.SF2

Some cool soundfonts which I using:

airfont 380 final.sf2
Arachno SoundFont - Version 1.0.sf2
ChoriumRevA.sf2
Musyng_Kite.sf2 (probably the biggest, almost 1gb!)
Reality_GMGS_falcomod.sf2

7 hours ago, PRIMEVAL said:

I second the SGM recommendation. One of my favorite free sf2's. Another good one is Shadow, though I think the only way to get that is through a collection torrent. I recorded my Reverie tracks with it years ago. Here's an example that Jimmy, Stuart, and I worked on for Reverie:

 

Man, I need to finish Reverie sometime. Let alone get rid of my habit of jumping in-and-out of different mapsets, and never saving along the way. But that sounds neat as hell.

I use Scc1t2.sf2 because it is small and sounds close to a real SC-55 synthesizer.

GeneralUser GS, Arachno, Synergi GS, 1mgm, Merlin soundfonts.

Guess I'll use the bump to link my soundfonts folder (minus the commercial stuff, of course).  This will probably be helpful for some who are looking for some new soundfonts to try.

Link to folder:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TbLOvr6GwqrxteWH8RD7Z7Q7t8q-vsIe

Here's the readme file:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1K4zaFi_rYnAE7hEDnaz99MQW3WW1rYXP

Now, as for recommendations, I'm just going to say that the vast majority of soundfonts are not going to sound "correct" in old games because the instrument balance is inevitably going to get thrown out of whack.  You'd be surprised at the number of soundfonts that make no attempt to sound balanced or even usable for General MIDI playback.  Even fewer are able to play some of DOOM's more unusual MIDI sections properly (the "DOOM" voice in the intro of DOOM II Map 5 and the marching sounds in DOOM II Map 31 are two effects that a lot of soundfonts and MIDI synthesizers screw up).  Another problem that happens with certain soundfonts is when the Overdriven and Distortion Guitar presets use the same samples, so E1M1 ends up with pretty bad phasing (AWE32's 1 MB GM bank is guilty of this).

However, there are a few that stand out for varying reasons:

* 1mgm.sf2 - This is an SF2-compatible version of the classic AWE32 1 MB General MIDI synthesizer.
* Voice Crystal 4 MB GM v4.1 by Eye & I Productions - This is a commercial soundfont made by the same company that made the original GUS patches.  This soundfont is probably the closest to the Roland SC-55 in terms of balance and consistency, and is one of my favorites.  However, I cannot share it because this one is a commercial product.

* Arachno Soundfont v1.0 by Maxime Abbey - A popular free soundfont optimized for classic DOS games.  Not perfectly well-balanced, but the instruments are very "big" and high quality.  One of my favorite soundfonts.

* GeneralUser GS by S. Christian Collins - Another popular free soundfont.

* sYnerGi GS - A formerly commercial, professional soundfont that has "Totally balanced instruments [so that] the bank will play all standard midi files without any problems with dynamics or otherwise."  However, there are playback-breaking flaws (see my _readme.txt linked above).

* Utopia Live! 2.0 - Another formerly commercial, professional soundfont.  There are 4 versions:  Default Stereo Panned Percussion (P), Light Edition (P LE), Pianos Enhanced (P PE), and SteroID Percussion (S).  This soundfont "has a unique warm/ambient sound and a huge effort has been made to get it as close as possible to the 'balance' of the Roland SoundCanvas and thus ensure correct MIDI playback with nearly all types of music."  I don't really like the electric guitars, though; I think they're too muddy.

* SONIVOX 24 MB GS - Formerly commercial.  This one would be nice if half the instruments weren't in the wrong octave.

* SONIVOX 250 MB GS - Formerly commercial.  Used to cost $99.99 at one point.  Horrible balance, horrible drums, and horrible velocity layers.

* Retro Synth and Industrial Dance by SONIVOX - Formerly commercial.  They're supposed to be GM-compatible, but they just make MIDIs sound really, really weird.
* Black Tyros GM Edition - Commercial, so I can't share it.  Absolutely awful.  Numerous issues make this one borderline unusable for MIDI playback.

I hear arachno soundfont is pretty good but because I want to listen to music on my phone a lot which is cheap and doesn't have much space I usually use GeneralUser GS as well, would recommend it, it has good quality samples and velocity (the synth samples aren't ear bleedingly loud like they are in the GZDoom soundfont……) 

Huh, the GZDoom soundfont has some unused samples.

I don't know if others care about my soundfont ramblings, but I'll babble about some stuff anyway:
 

Edit:  Spoilered all the technical GZDoom soundfont stuff because it's such a minor issue and unlikely to have an effect on MIDI playback in the vast majority of cases.

Ultimate Sega Genesis Soundfont by The Eighth Bit. I never play Doom without it or GenesiSF Soundfont. First post btw.

@GrayestOdinJim Oh hell yeah, that sounds very interesting. Still waiting for the download, but I really want to try this out. Thanks to Doom and CoolSoft's VirtualMidiSynth I got back into Midis. In 2018. What the hell. <3

While the Genesis Soundfont will of course play MIDIs, keep in mind that the soundfont is not fully GM-compatible, so GM music played with it will have different instrument mappings and occasionally missing instruments.

GUS Pro Patches Lite 1.61 + MIDI mapper which handles each instrument as a separate .pat file. (I'm using Timidity++)

Here's the comparison.

By the way, I'm glad this topic has been started recently as I'm looking for a replacement soundfount for GZDoom. Due to recent updates, built-in Timidity mapper handles whole .sf2 files only. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Couldn't you simply use the external Timidity++ driver with PPL and then select it from within GZDoom?

I'd love to do that - moreover, I did it in prior versions. But now I can't choose it (MIDI set normally in Windows) besides the built-in Timidity at the midi selection. And I don't know probably whether (and how) the external exe, additionally installed for ZDoom, can be still used now.

GZDooM won't use the external driver anymore after Graf made it into GZDooM with his own port(after years of annoying with external driver and finding better replacements) after GZDooM 3.3.0, it just replaced and didn't needed the external driver.

Select Timidity++ in current GZDooM will load the built-in one only, the external one will just ignored.

(I did use the external Timidity++ driver and dev. builds of GZDooM with built-in Timidity++ driver added before the 3.3.0 released so I'm sure)

I use eawpats and Silverspring15.sf2 for GZDooM's Timidity++ and they all worked, at least on latest GZDooM dev. build: g3.7per-9-g4ac43dac3(x64) and I see no error or warning in the console, and it sounds great so I think it works. Make sure your timidity.cfg was correctly setup and point to the soundfont's full directory.

Spoiler is what my timidity.cfg looks like.

MGS1 Soundfont? MGS1 Soundfont.

A disclaimer of sorts: I can't technically officially speak for everyone (and if I'm wrong about any of y'all, please chime in), but those of us who write .mid music for Doom wads (Jimmy, stewboy, Eris Falling, Esselfortium, and myself, to name a few) specifically target SC-55 voices (the janky-but-lovable default Windows one being the de facto standard, for better or worse). If you prefer to use another soundfont like WeedsGM or whatnot, feel free to give it a shot, but keep in mind that this is the musical equivalent of loading a gameplay mod on top of a map that wasn't designed for it. Maybe it'll work, and maybe it won't -- swim at your own risk.

Since this thread is about recommendations, then +1 to Scc1t2.sf2 or some other SC-55-ish thing. The soundfont included in GZDoom tends to work just fine in my experience... if you disable reverb and chorus, else it's a mushy trainwreck. I forget if those are switched on by default in new versions, but they certainly used to be, so chances are you'll need to go into the menus and explicitly turn them off for the music to not get botched up.

If you like OPL, also check out CSG's DMXOPL -- it's super-good and is currently the only non-SC-55-derived "soundfont" that's passed my personal sniff-test, for whatever that's worth. :P

7 minutes ago, Xaser said:

 Scc1t2.sf2

That's the type of soundfont I've used the most. Most of my midi listening was on an XP machine, so I got used to that. I tried the more fancy soundfonts, but it just didn't sound right.

Using scc1t2.sf2 as a reference for balancing MIDIs is good despite its poor quality samples, as it means said MIDIs will generally also sound balanced for those who use the higher quality samples from a real Sound Canvas or SCVA's SC-55 mode.

Speaking of non-SF2 MIDI synths, you can use a General MIDI-compatible VSTi with VSTHost and loopmidi in place of a soundfont.

Here are some professional GM VSTis that I have played DOOM with:

* NI Bandstand
* M-Audio GM Module
* Sonic Reality OmniSynth 2

* Luxonix Purity

* There's also a DXi GM synth called Coyote Forte

But I don't think getting any of those is worth it, as all their GM banks are overly large, horribly unbalanced, and full of atrocious-sounding instruments.

Listen to NI Bandstand's 2+ GB GM patch set playing E1M1:
 

The bass sounds too loud in that, same as with GZDoom's Fluidsynth + default gzdoom soundfont, doesn't it? When I use Doom Retro the music is played through Coolsoft VirtualMIDISynth and the Scc1t2.sf2 soundfont. The bass is not louder than the guitar that way, it's more in the background, sounds better and I think it was intended that way.

Can anyone confirm?

Chiming in to agree with the posts recommending SoundCanvas instruments. You can pretty safely assume that 99% of the Doom MIDIs out there were composed with those instruments in mind, just because they've been the defaults in Windows since forever, and we haven't been in the wild west of "every computer has different-sounding midi hardware" for a few decades now.

SoundCanvas is also what was used when composing the original Doom and Doom II music, for what that's worth.

7 hours ago, VGA said:

Can anyone confirm?

Yes, the Picked Bass patch is far too loud in GZDoom.  I think FluidSynth is at fault here and is not playing the soundfont correctly.  The softer bass is the intended sound, as this is how it sounds in SCVA (SC-55 mode) and real SC-55 recordings.

On 10/14/2018 at 7:03 AM, TheUltimateDoomer666 said:

...Even fewer are able to play some of DOOM's more unusual MIDI sections properly (the "DOOM" voice in the intro of DOOM II Map 5...

Kinda off-topic (and sorry about that), but do we have a verifiable source for this? Because I recall reading this piece of trivia somewhere on the internet; that's the kind of DOOM trivia you don't hear every time someone does a "Top 10 DOOM Facts" video, and I'd really like to have a "reputable" source just for posterity's sake (and also because I couldn't find such piece of info. on the DoomWiki).

Robert Prince would probably be the only one who can confirm it.  But considering the song is simply titled "DOOM", and the MIDI uses Voice Oohs with a Dulcimer rising to the end for an "mm" sound, it does sound like the music is saying "doom".