[Wolfenstein: Blade of Agony] Achievement Ideas? (p13)

hawkwind · May 27, 2021

Apologies if this has been asked before - I'm at the start of C2M5_A Stahlhimmel, and at the cave. How do I progress out of the cave ?

Thanks in advance.

Kyka · May 27, 2021

Just off the top of my head, if I remember rightly, once you have killed 3 (I think) snipers from the cave overlooking the area beneath, (They are just visible though the fog, each in their own tower,) you head back to the start and another path has opened up.

Lizardcommando · May 27, 2021

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but in that one mission:

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the flashback mission with PVT. Ryan, at the very end of the mission where you try to escape, you can actually get through the doors that are supposed to close on you if you sprint and strafe run fast enough. Don't know if that has been fixed yet or not. Just wanted to pointed that out.

Kyka · May 27, 2021

On 5/19/2021 at 3:44 PM, Sand Lord said:

WTF DO YOU MEAN DO I make the red arrow move right or move the circle right do I have to press enter on each number I don't fucking understand this I been here for 2 HOURS IM GOIN INSANE

Hope you got it figured. It took me a little playing around. You just go to the right to get to the first number. Stop on it. I didn't hit enter. Then scroll the other way until you hit the second number. Then back to the right until you hit the third number. then hit enter. iirc that worked for me.

RichardDS90 · May 27, 2021

10 minutes ago, Lizardcommando said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but in that one mission:

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the flashback mission with PVT. Ryan, at the very end of the mission where you try to escape, you can actually get through the doors that are supposed to close on you if you sprint and strafe run fast enough. Don't know if that has been fixed yet or not. Just wanted to pointed that out.

Game over...Time Paradox?

hawkwind · May 27, 2021

16 hours ago, bLOCKbOYgAMES said:

Just off the top of my head, if I remember rightly, once you have killed 3 (I think) snipers from the cave overlooking the area beneath, (They are just visible though the fog, each in their own tower,) you head back to the start and another path has opened up.

I counted 4. But thanks K, that worked. Just another niggle that takes the edge of an otherwise great mod.

Kyka · May 28, 2021

11 minutes ago, hawkwind said:

I counted 4. But thanks K, that worked. Just another niggle that takes the edge of an otherwise great mod.

I also got stuck there for a while too. :) Happy Hunting!

andreadworkin4thaweekend · June 6, 2021

eps 1 and 2 - terrific!

ep 3 - oh i hope this is handled with the level of care that it should be and we don't end up having to... yup, we have to get a key from a mass grave, cool, i hope the undead gas doesn't mean we have to... yup, we get to kill undead shoah victims, neat

Beleth · June 7, 2021

Oh yeah, the supersecret is also supergerman ;)

Tormentor667 · June 7, 2021

5 hours ago, Beleth said:

Oh yeah, the supersecret is also supergerman ;)

One of my favorite games ;)

Tormentor667 · June 7, 2021

Achievement Ideas?
As some of you might have already noticed when following the GitHub development, we are currently working on an "Achievement System". A few things have alread been implemented but we are still brainstorming and therefore I thought it would make sense to ask the people out there what would be interesting to add. So, what ideas for proper achievements would you have? What would perfectly fit to Blade of Agony?

Scuba Steve · June 7, 2021

You should push out bug fixes and removal of tenuous material before pushing a release with a large, new feature.

Tormentor667 · June 7, 2021

Well, we are working on all the remaining bugs already and doing a lot of fixing and tracking, but we also want to prepare a few new features for the 3.1 release - so the one thing doesn't prevent the other.

Liberation · June 7, 2021

On 6/6/2021 at 3:00 AM, andreadworkin4thaweekend said:

ep 3 - oh i hope this is handled with the level of care that it should be and we don't end up having to... yup, we have to get a key from a mass grave, cool, i hope the undead gas doesn't mean we have to... yup, we get to kill undead shoah victims, neat

I really hope this is a joke, otherwise this is in extremely poor taste and not something people are going to be comfortable with.

Not Jabba · June 7, 2021

On 6/5/2021 at 10:00 PM, andreadworkin4thaweekend said:

ep 3 - oh i hope this is handled with the level of care that it should be and we don't end up having to... yup, we have to get a key from a mass grave, cool, i hope the undead gas doesn't mean we have to... yup, we get to kill undead shoah victims, neat

There's, uh, a lot to unpack in this game.

-Yeah, there are definitely Holocaust zombies. Although Scuba got them to remove any explicit mention of the concentration camp prisoners being Jewish, the veil is pretty thin. The "Final Solution" is mentioned in in-game documents. The concentration camp is extremely realistic and graphic, complete with furnaces and mass graves and iirc gas chambers and everything. The prisoners have Jewish or Polish names (one of them is named after Itzhak Stern). There's a projector slideshow playing in one Nazi command office that shows what looks like actual footage of Dr. Mengele (who appears in the game as a boss enemy) experimenting on real concentration camp prisoners (or maybe it's something else, but it definitely looks like there is potentially real historical (Holocaust-related?) gore in a lot of the images in the game). It's bad enough even before you realize the concentration camp victims are being turned into a zombie horde.

-In Paris in E1, there's a big exhibition of probably-historical but really messed up racist images of Jewish people. It's one thing to put swastikas in a game full of Nazis to shoot, but it feels different to plaster that kind of fucked up content into a game as background lore, especially a game this cartoony and generally grindhousey. Iirc, at least one of these images, or a similar one, continues to appear in later episodes. All in all, the game leans really hard into the realistic Nazi propaganda, and I'm not sure why they felt that was necessary. Wolfenstein 3D didn't go there.
-There's a character in the game who's a "tribute" to Randi Heit, a prominent transwoman in the Doom community who created ZDoom. In the process, she is deadnamed and misgendered. The character named after her is also a shitfaced drunk who jokes about his huge dong. Other tribute characters fared no better, to be fair -- the guy named after Enjay is an emaciated prisoner shitting in a concentration camp outhouse. I can only pray Torm never sees fit to homage me.

-The one female boss in the game has her breasts gratuitously pop out when she dies.

There's some comparatively minor stuff as well. Everybody knows they're taking their sweet time to remove the Master Race difficulty setting; in addition, the lowest difficulty setting is named League of German Girls, which is in character for 90s homage but still pretty obviously misogynistic. A historical anti-Japanese racial slur appears in a newspaper headline as well. I was able to accept these things with rolled eyes, but they are still likely to be offensive to many (and have already been offensive to people who tried to play BoA, to my knowledge). As a child, it took me many years to realize that same racial slur was a racial slur because it was used casually in historical video games that I played.

I'm torn about how seriously to take some of the grosser stuff as a forum moderator, but I definitely think people should be aware of it going in.

Terraformer9x · June 7, 2021

Something tells me there was more attention put into the shock value of the game than the actual gameplay itself...

Major Arlene · June 7, 2021

1 hour ago, Not Jabba said:

-There's a character in the game who's a "tribute" to Randi Heit, a prominent transwoman in the Doom community who created ZDoom. In the process, she is deadnamed and misgendered. The character named after her is also a shitfaced drunk who jokes about his huge dong. Other tribute characters fared no better, to be fair -- the guy named after Enjay is an emaciated prisoner shitting in a concentration

camp outhouse. I can only pray Torm never sees fit to homage me.

Those "friends" of yours must be very special to you, Torm...

Well uh, these sprites exist. (WARNING: NSFW CONTENT, potentially triggering).

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Whether or not these are in the game- they should not exist at all. Sexism for luls is not okay in an video game and I'm tired of pretending it is.

Also.... dragging your feet on getting rid of the "Master Race" difficulty after a month of saying that it would be removed is not going to look good on you. I understand that this massive file is a pain to re-upload but getting rid of content that is going to turn people away from playing it should be a priority, no?

Edited June 7, 2021 by Major Arlene : master race is still in BoA :)

Toilet_Wine_Connoisseur · June 7, 2021

36 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

Those "friends" of yours must be very special to you, Torm...

Well uh, these sprites exist. (WARNING: NSFW CONTENT, potentially triggering).

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Whether or not these are in the game- they should not exist at all. Sexism for luls is not okay in an video game and I'm tired of pretending it is.

Also.... dragging your feet on getting rid of the "Master Race" difficulty after a month of saying that it would be removed is not going to look good on you. I understand that this massive file is a pain to re-upload but getting rid of content that is going to turn people away from playing it should be a priority, no?

Thank you for bringing tthis stuff to light.

yea I aint gonna finish playing this mod.

if I wanna be immersed with ppl a little head over heels for nazi propaganda and demeaning holocaust victims ill just go to /pol or 8chan.

Wereknight · June 7, 2021

and of course literally nobody just can't simply play and enjoy the mod... sigh.

10 years ago, stuff like that was simple and nobody would even mind that...

Either way, I gotta ask.

The ending leaves a certain feel that there might be a sequel... can we have a light of hope for one or nay?

Major Arlene · June 7, 2021

1 minute ago, Wereknight said:

and of course literally nobody just can't simply play and enjoy the mod... sigh.

10 years ago, stuff like that was simple and nobody would even mind that...

Well, when you leave stuff like I described in the game files, you kind of leave yourself open to be criticized. That's how it works.

Wereknight · June 7, 2021

Just now, Major Arlene said:

Well, when you leave stuff like I described in the game files, you kind of leave yourself open to be criticized.

I might agree on that but, come on... how many people would intentionally look at what's inside of main files of a mod if they are not into doing mods themselves?

Major Arlene · June 7, 2021

2 minutes ago, Wereknight said:

I might agree on that but, come on... how many people would intentionally look at what's inside of main files of a mod if they are not into doing mods themselves?

I sincerely think you're asking the wrong question- why are the files in the game if they weren't meant to be used or seen?

United VirusX · June 7, 2021

I have to agree with Arlene on that one if they weren't meant to be used/seen they would have been removed

Wereknight · June 7, 2021

2 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

I sincerely think you're asking the wrong question

It's a matter of perspective, really.

2 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

why are the files in the game if they weren't meant to be used or seen?

May be many reasons for "why", that's not the point though, is it.
The point is that they are just there. And that's it.

Just to be honest I wouldn't mind that being here at all despite how bad it might be. And not because I'm not of West (duh...) but I'm a person that have seen much, MUCH worse stuff than this, and outside of games as well so, things like these sprites are just provoke my lazy "eh" and I move on. Because I don't play mods\games to feel offended and complain about, I play them to feel joy and get a relief from a reality I live in (which is far from good but surely better than most of African countries)

Terraformer9x · June 7, 2021

22 minutes ago, Wereknight said:

and of course literally nobody just can't simply play and enjoy the mod... sigh.

Except even the mod itself, atleast from a gameplay perspective, is not really enjoyable to play. Sorry to drop the tea here, but the combat has a lot of balancing issues to where the majority of enemies do not feel fun to fight for one of two reasons.

1. They're bullet-spongey and essentially have the ability to give themselves partial I-frames when rolling. I know it's not actual I-frames and that their pain factor is actually halved when rolling but it really does feel like they have invincibility frames especially when I've had enemies roll into me when I'm shooting them with a flame thrower and basically were unfazed.

or 2. They're absolutely piss easy and pose little to no threat, this amusingly applies a lot to the boss enemies like the Hans Grosses since everytime I see one, I can easily cheese them by hiding around a corner with a browning and demolish them within seconds without them even ever attacking.

Addendum: This mod really just feels like it's trying to be Doom, RTCW, and Medal of Honor all at the same time but it's execution of being a combination of those things really falls flat on it's face from a gameplay perspective. I will say that from a visual standpoint and putting aside the atrocious stuff which is still inexcusable, BoA is probably one of the best looking GZDoom mods to have been released but it's plagued with a lot of issues that make playing it not fun otherwise.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Terraformer9x

Man of Doom · June 7, 2021

Ok, so I just want to get something out of the way as concisely as I can.

When I made that thread in Everything Else about how we need to keep toxic people out of the “boomer shooter” spaces in light of then-recent controversies, a lot of people thought I was just referring to “just toxic people in general”. So I’d like to make myself clear on that front.

I was explicitly referring to toxic people becoming revered creators.

So that shit like this doesn’t happen ever again. And I really don’t like saying this, but I told you so.

I’m not insinuating right out the gate that Torm is one of those toxic creators, but I’m more than sure that at least more than one toxic person has probably had a hand in this project (if it isn’t Torm).

And I am only saying this only to give you the benefit of the doubt (and I am being beyond extremely generous).

But what you’ve shown us so far hasn’t exactly been inspiring, to put it lightly.

I mean, you couldn’t even be bothered to just use the difficulty names used in vanilla Wolf3D?

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No matter what one might say, none of this can be justified by “but it’s WWII and that was the attitude at the time”. If the MachineGames Wolfenstein titles can put something in like a fucking content warning, so can you.
It really isn’t that hard.

And that’s only the trivial stuff like referring to the Japanese as a racial slur, as well as this weird obsession on getting as many minute Nazi-related details as correct as possible.

As for the more egregious shit like having to kill zombified Holocaust victims and this weird bent on misogyny, transphobia, and possibly even anti-Semitism… yeah no, I’m officially out.

So for your sake Torm, there had better be serious cleaning-up to do because there’s a very fine line between “juvenile humor” like repeated shots of dogs copulating and Nazis shitting themselves on the toilet after they die, and… everything else that’s been just described.

Though I seriously doubt that kind of cleaning up will be done on your end, considering that you seem to be intent on burning bridges on your way out of the Doom community given how you “tributed” actual people.

I hope I’m wrong on this front.

As @Not Jabba said, Wolf3D didn’t go to these lengths to shock.

Not even the worst moments of the MachineGames titles went to these lengths.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Man of Doom

Ermin · June 7, 2021

are we going to see another closed thread lol

Obsidian · June 8, 2021

Just now, Ermin said:

are we going to see another closed thread lol

How Torm conducts himself in his response will play a big part in the longevity of the thread, I think. It'll likely stay open for now unless things implode in a particularly amazing fashion.

TheMagicMushroomMan · June 8, 2021

I figured things would go down like this, if you go a few pages back in the thread you can see that I questioned some insensitive things in this mod, to which Torm replied that there was nothing to worry about. I don't know what it is lately with people ruining otherwise great mods by including things of shock value. Newsflash for those kinds of content creators: it isn't even shocking, it's just dumb and juvenile and makes you look like you are perpetually an angry teen with a Slipknot hat on.

Sakerr1 · June 8, 2021

I've seen mods that were made to be edgy just for shits and giggles but this is on another level and the fact that the hidden files are even there should definitely get people to ask a lot of questions. Whoever had the right idea to keep the messed up shit in the files shouldn't have anything to do with the mod in the first place. It's one thing to be edgy for shits and giggles but it's another when sexist shit gets spewed into a mod. If you want to add shockvalue fine but don't let it hinder the story or gameplay.

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