New SC55 Soundfont 266MB (all new 44.1k samples)

Thank you so much for this. I listened to the “0.09” version of this soundfont the other day and it rapidly became my favourite SC-55 soundfont variant after listening to some of my favourite tunes through it!

Excellent soundfont! I really appreciate the work put into this, works great for wads and for listening!

Just got free time to test it! A pretty nice version of soundfont! I've even made some demo:

v0.2 (2022/6/29)
Vol env decay/sustain/release of instruments setup complete.

v0.3
Plan to make multi-layer presets for instruments

I got some SC midi files from

http://shells.tw/~bill/midi/midi.htm

https://archive.org/details/sound_canvas_midi_collection
as test samples and packed into:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rJ8W7WYNQoPXsfHoB7yPXcA_ywgsOb61/view?usp=sharing

Real SC55 (RA90)  version:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CIqN6xuHPICtdn4ajer7DihVAuwInP3E

Woah, this soundfont sounds pretty nice. I might start using this with any limit-removing ports from now on.

One downside with the way the samples are recorded is that the loops are too short, so longer notes in some MIDIs sound like a "broken record". This is noticeable in the opening music from Rise of the Triad and the menu music from Tyrian.

Thank you all. :)

@TheUltimateDoomer666

Thanks for your advice. Do you mean these music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1F47oiBDQ4 (0:0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Kwbkn2Ptg (0:10)

Is my timestamp correct?

Do these games have MIDI files for easy testing?

v0.3 (2022/7/1)
It is now a multi-velocity layered sounfont.
Recommended sound engine: Fluidsynth or RgcAudio sf2/sfz player.
https://github.com/FluidSynth/fluidsynth/releases
VirtualMIDISynth and FSMP(bassmidi) don't seem to support multi-layered sf2.

There is a mp3 comparison between my soundfont v0.2 (single layer) / v0.3 (multi layer) / Real SC55.
v0.2:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoxyiiTGg9czvy6yknATMfC2Gu-ObIiy/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13-w397LU9n8m3wz1aNbTAgXvqLX74u_l/view?usp=sharing
v0.3:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XxU16LKVk7xFOheVV7hs1QC_Z9eFOXDL/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L15qr1vQUb_rKAz7y0LMRc31HZ4OV5Cb/view?usp=sharing
Real SC55 (RA90):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IKDFlQzUlDLqmiJuD5pntqNEH6GC0n_w/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Snzab7qQdVptKHeghtIi3O9BEx-joARK/view?usp=sharing

3 hours ago, zz_denis said:

@TheUltimateDoomer666

Thanks for your advice. Do you mean these music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1F47oiBDQ4 (0:0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Kwbkn2Ptg (0:10)

Is my timestamp correct?

Do these games have MIDI files for easy testing?

For Rise of the Triad, the opening music is at 0:13, and for Tyrian, the menu music is at 35:59. For MIDI downloads, VGMPF has MIDI rips from many classic games available. Here's the page for Rise of the Triad. Tyrian is a little different in that its music is in LDS format and was written specifically for AdLib cards. Regardless, here's a download for the General MIDI versions of the songs: MIDIs recorded by Borg No. One.

Really nice!

Where can I download the "rgc:audio sf2/sfz player" ? It seems I cannot find in google.

"rgc:audio sf2/sfz player" does support virtual midi cables? So I can tell ScummVM to output to a virtual cable and the player you suggested receives midi data and play the music

This sounds like swag 

@LuciferSam86

1.sfz197 is a vst plugin that can be used with savihost.
sfz197 (free):
https://rambusco.com/viewtopic.php?style=4&t=4825
savihost:
https://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm

2.fluidsynth for windows (only text console but good quality):

https://github.com/FluidSynth/fluidsynth/releases
usage: fluidsynth.exe -g 1 -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 SC55_zzdenis_v0.3.sf2
-g 1 -> GAIN
-o midi.winmidi.device=0 -> 0 is the first midi-in device.

They both require a virtual MIDI device to work:
https://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html
or https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

v0.4 (2022/7/6)
Replaced some short samples and fixed some bad loops.
But the size of the soundfont increased to 302MB.

v0.5 (2022/7/9)
Replaced some short samples and fixed some bad loops. (284MB)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wdYpwoCka8r7ZuIzPn1CHy13_4aP9oSq/view?usp=sharing

@TheUltimateDoomer666

Game music played with v0.4:

Rise of the Triad:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15EgGOmNcUncUfZkF3aA33CF_-p2HlUFB/view?usp=sharing
Tyrian:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C3UwWnUlOQqz6jtrZMm583RK2YeKalUN/view?usp=sharing

KORG i3 (X3R) GM Soundfont: (New)
v0.3 (2022/7/14)

v0.4 (2022/7/16)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KHl3FQ7A5S9YXvphABeKX_yJLgJKWLQr/view?usp=sharing

"Doraemon.mid" played with v0.3:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19yHOHX2qk--sypyVvi75cRRfC1TPXAmi/view?usp=sharing

"Factory Demo - Korg AG-10.mid" played with v0.3:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YpRvflP-lF3jrxZMnflBswWdEvRHyvzg/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q9AZgTnarRtsjcnLmxcz6NZCKBXecs4p/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15tOTvBUidEzjvchzhEqnxNyv_C0f649o/view?usp=sharing

You're unstoppable :D Really nice stuff :)

I see you posted a link with .jp domain, are you from Japan ?

@LuciferSam86

No, I am from Taiwan. :)

Already my favorite, It's the only sound font that plays "Into the Beasts Belly" from TNT accurate to the original SC-55, (among lots of other Doom tracks) instant classic.

On 7/1/2022 at 4:03 PM, zz_denis said:

@LuciferSam86

1.sfz197 is a vst plugin that can be used with savihost.
sfz197 (free):
https://rambusco.com/viewtopic.php?style=4&t=4825
savihost:
https://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm

 

2.fluidsynth for windows (only text console but good quality):

https://github.com/FluidSynth/fluidsynth/releases
usage: fluidsynth.exe -g 1 -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 SC55_zzdenis_v0.3.sf2
-g 1 -> GAIN
-o midi.winmidi.device=0 -> 0 is the first midi-in device.

 

They both require a virtual MIDI device to work:
https://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html
or https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

Hey!

Wonder if you could help me with a fluidsynth+loopmidi setup?

I have put your soundfont to c:/soundfonts folder and renamed it to sc55.sf2 for the sake of simplicity. In Woof, I set soundfont_path "C:\soundfonts\sc55.sf2".

Now, I have downloaded and installed loopmidi from the last link you have provided in your post, launched the program and added the port (by pressing a + button). Then I cd to C:/tools/fluidsynth/, and type fluidsynth.exe -g 1 -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 c:/soundfonts/sc55.sf2.

This is the output (no errors):

However changing gain to "1" doesn't change the music volume. While playing the game, loopMIDI shows "0" for Total data and "0 byte" for Throughput, so I guess it's not being used at all? What am I missing here?

P.S. Just to clarify, fluidsynth works in game (obviously, as I can change soundfonts and I can hear reverb applied by Woof! settings, etc), and also I can play midi files using "fluidsynth sc55.sf2 D_RUNNIN.mid". It's just that loopMIDI doesn't do anything at all?

38 minutes ago, PKr said:

However changing gain to "1" doesn't change the music volume. While playing the game, loopMIDI shows "0" for Total data and "0 byte" for Throughput, so I guess it's not being used at all? What am I missing here?

 

P.S. Just to clarify, fluidsynth works in game (obviously, as I can change soundfonts and I can hear reverb applied by Woof! settings, etc), and also I can play midi files using "fluidsynth sc55.sf2 D_RUNNIN.mid". It's just that loopMIDI doesn't do anything at all?

LoopMIDI isn't needed for programs that have built-in support for FluidSynth (or other synths). Since Woof already supports FluidSynth, loopMIDI is being bypassed entirely.

1 minute ago, TheUltimateDoomer666 said:

LoopMIDI isn't needed for programs that have built-in support for FluidSynth (or other synths). Since Woof already supports FluidSynth, loopMIDI is being bypassed entirely.

I see. Is there any way to change a soundfont volume when using built-in fluidsynth without relying on something like virtualMIDIsynth? Just curious.

@PKr
I don't know the details of the fluidsynth engine in Woof.
But Equalizer APO (system wide EQ) with preamp functionality might be an alternative solution?
https://equalizerapo.com/

This is great soundfont, thanks!

4 hours ago, PKr said:

Is there any way to change a soundfont volume when using built-in fluidsynth without relying on something like virtualMIDIsynth? Just curious.

Woof changes fluidsynth GAIN when you change in-game music volume. So it works fine for me.

3 hours ago, zz_denis said:

@PKr
I don't know the details of the fluidsynth engine in Woof.
But Equalizer APO (system wide EQ) with preamp functionality might be an alternative solution?
https://equalizerapo.com/

Thanks, I will give this a try.

3 hours ago, rfomin said:

This is great soundfont, thanks!

 

Woof changes fluidsynth GAIN when you change in-game music volume. So it works fine for me.

Yeah, it works perfectly fine. I am asking not because I have some problem with zz_denis' soundfont or Woof, but rather because I wanted to know if I was missing some obvious and easy way to manipulate soundfont volumes via fluidsynth settings beyond what can be tweaked in source port settings. Some soundfonts I was trying to use previously were so silent at max volume sliders that they were almost mute while using Windows' loudness equalization (for example Trevor0402's SC-55 SoundFont.v1.2b in my case is extremely silent). At the same time zz_denis' soundfont and for example deemster's one have excellent volume levels.

2 minutes ago, PKr said:

Some soundfonts I was trying to use previously were so silent at max volume sliders that they were almost mute while using Windows' loudness equalization (for example Trevor0402's SC-55 SoundFont.v1.2b in my case is extremely silent). At the same time zz_denis' soundfont and for example deemster's one have excellent volume levels.

Interesting, I will try Trevor0402's SC-55 SoundFont.v1.2b. I think we could expose the FluidSynth gain setting in the config so you can manually change it in case of a quiet sound font.

Just started using this with Woof/fluidsynth and I absolutely love it! Thank you so much for sharing this soundfont.

I've tried using sfz197 with SAVIHost (trying to replace CoolSoft for non-fluidsynth games) but it sounds wrong with the default settings (loopmidi as input #1 and my sound card as wave device), are there any other settings I should change? It sounds much better with Woof's built in fluidsynth.

How it looks before I start playing something:

hello.

I managed to succeed to play midi file with fluidsynth using

"fluidsynth.exe -g 1 -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 SC55_zzdenis_v0.5.sf2 example.mid"

But I really want to hear any general midi sound whenever I run retro dos game using dosbox.

How Can I use fluidsynth in order to hear retro dos game's general midi sound in dosbox?

@pantheon

The sfz197 has to manually set the drum channel to bank 128, so fluidsynth might be a better choice than the sfz197.
 

@chth96

I set it up successfully:

1. Use the command "mixer /listmidi " in the DOSBox.

2.Exit DOSBox and edit the DOSBox.conf section:

mpu401=uart
mididevice=win32
midiconfig=6

3.fluidsynth.exe -g 1 -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 SC55_zzdenis_v0.5.sf2

midi.winmidi.device=0 ---> You can try 0, 1, 2....

Or you can get the MIDI-IN device ID through the app "MouseKeyboard": https://archive.org/details/MouseKeyboard200 

This is equivalent to "mixer /listmidi": (Get MIDI-OUT device ID)

Good Luck! :)

This tool can set the default system MIDI output device for Windows Media Player:

https://www.benryves.com/products/vistamidi

Thank zz_denis very much for replying my question.

I have followed you guide But it seems that It is totally impossible for me to hear any midi sound in dosbox using fluidsynth ..

I think I configured correct  "MIDI-IN device ID" in DOSBox.conf, Because I tested Sound Canvas VA VST plugin as I have played X-wing CD edition in dosbox and I could hear midi sounds of X-wing CD. and I could hear sound of midi file using fluidsynth. But I could not succeed to hear midi sound in dosbox using fluidsynth even with following your excellent guide...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3zbcgp8dorvl98/bandicam 2022-07-25 23-11-54-211.mp4?dl=0

Awesome work dude, I think this is probably my new favourite sc-55-alike soundfont. Clean, well balanced, super high quality.

@chth96

I guess a MIDIIN or MIDIOUT device can only be used for one application at the same time, So you can try this:

1.Get the MIDI-IN/OUT device ID number via MouseKeyboard200, then "turn it off".

2.Restart DOSBox/Fluidsynth and try again.

Can you successfully play the piano with a mouse or computer keyboard in MouseKeyboard200 (MIDIOUT to fluidsynth)?

If the problem has not been resolved, you can try another versions of fluidsynth, eg:

https://github.com/FluidSynth/fluidsynth/releases/download/v2.2.7/fluidsynth-2.2.7-winXP-x86.zip

I tested OK with this version.

In addition, I found that "fluidsynth.exe -a wasapi" has better sound quality than "fluidsynth.exe -a dsound". (default is dsound)

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My preferences for fluidsynth:

fluidsynth.exe -f fluidconf.txt -g 1 -a wasapi -m winmidi -o midi.winmidi.device=0 SC55_zzdenis_v0.5.sf2

Contents of fluidconf.txt file:

Heavy effects:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fi3WnAxprymT5NsPLHzFFMDOVzDUwv42/view?usp=sharing

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set synth.polyphony 160
set synth.reverb.active 1
set synth.reverb.level 0.6
set synth.reverb.room-size 0.7
set synth.chorus.active 1
set synth.chorus.level 0.2
set synth.dynamic-sample-loading 0

Slight effects:

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set synth.polyphony 160
set synth.reverb.active 1
set synth.reverb.level 0.3
set synth.chorus.active 1
set synth.chorus.level 0.1
set synth.dynamic-sample-loading 0