The Dean of Doom series (companion thread)

2 hours ago, Nefelibeta said:

I realized when I first played this megawad, I accidentally picked the worst maps. Expectedly left me a utterly bad impression. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you just randomly IDCLEV to a bunch of levels instead of playing straight through? I confused. 

8 hours ago, TJG1289 said:

Did you just randomly IDCLEV to a bunch of levels instead of playing straight through? I confused. 

Yes

France is cool.

This mapset looks great but my god it almost looks Sunder-like at times. Not sure if it'll be my cup of tea.

@WH-Wilou84 Yo, very nice wad. Not sure if I could stand it on UV though. :(

3 hours ago, TakenStew22 said:

@WH-Wilou84 Yo, very nice wad. Not sure if I could stand it on UV though. :(

Hey, well there's only one way to find out. :>

Hell yeah. I was hoping MtPain would cover this one. I just didn't know it'd be so soon! I played 180MPV with the DWmegaWAD Club back in 2021 on HMP and had an absolute ball with it. I need to revisit in on UV some day and get my arse kicked all over again! ;^P

Weird, it's almost like we have the same opinion on Etat 'd Emergencie. But I'm just glad to see that map get some respect. Maps 26, 29, 25, and 30 come close for various reasons though.

Ce fut un épisode sensationnel de la part de Mtpain 27! Je le remercie chaleureusement d'avoir reviewé 180MPV !

Some thoughts about this episode :

- First of all, congrats to all participants in this project, especially the new-comers which all managed to create decent playable maps.

- Congrats for Oxyde and Wilou84 for their well-deserved A+ on Etat d'Urgence, this map is a blast either on pistol-start and continuous. The combination between Unreal Tournament music and the run and gun gameplay with the plasma gun is king.

- The A+ on my map Rêve Lucide was... extremly unexpected. Waw. But dude , I agree you, Porcupine Tree rocks !

FYI , I grabbed all my PT midis here (as well as other rock bands) on this website. It's very well organised.

http://www.rppmf.com/porcupine_tree.htm @MtPain27 in case you're interested.

- For my part, Both map 28 and 29 deserve an A+ since they're my favourite map from JC and Wilou-84 they made in their whole mapping carreer. But that's just my opinion.

- I agree about the B+ on the official map 30. Despite being good, This map feels very exhausting to play after all you've been through.

- Credits to Death-Destiny, TimeOfDeath or even Gusta for being true mapping inspirations for me.

The French community are one of the few who name their maps in their native language - I’d love to see more of that from Doomers around the world

44 minutes ago, Horus said:

The French community are one of the few who name their maps in their native language - I’d love to see more of that from Doomers around the world

If only there were a Finnish community project, I’d fulfill your wish!

Btw, earlier I said here watching Dean of Doom discouraged me from playing Kama Sutra. In the end the resulting discussion prompted to try it anyway, and 8 maps in and I’m enjoying it! If not for the Dean episode, might have postponed for no reason at all to the future unknown.

180mpv map26 actually has a handful of rocket launchers.

7 hours ago, Roofi said:

http://www.rppmf.com/porcupine_tree.htm

Wow, this site has some phenomenal Smashing Pumpkins midis. Thanks for posting, I'm sure I'll get use out of this site. :)

6 hours ago, Horus said:

The French community are one of the few who name their maps in their native language - I’d love to see more of that from Doomers around the world

I tried that once and, reception-speaking, it was a disaster. The exact same mapset with English map names got almost thrice as many downloads. 

5 hours ago, Thelokk said:

 

I tried that once and, reception-speaking, it was a disaster. The exact same mapset with English map names got almost thrice as many downloads. 

I can't speak for others, but maybe there is more of a bias against non-English titles, especially from relatively new mappers; because IIRC "La Biblioteca" was one of your very first WADs.

Now that you're more established around here, I don't doubt that people would jump on a follow-up mapset called "The Box of a MILLION Demons (But in Italian)".

Doomworld not gonna like this one 

Ohhh boy

1 minute ago, Chalibluefin said:

Doomworld not gonna like this one 

Ohhh boy

I mean, he was still mostly positive about it. It did get a final grade of B after all, which is still pretty good. And I remember seeing mixed things about BTSX on here before. Personally, I do agree with most of his points. This is one of the few WADs where I stopped playing it cause I was just exhausted, and forgot to save after spending way too much time on map 15 and then dying and not feeling like playing through it all again. Those giant magnum opuses, man. I probably shouldn't have played this right after finishing the first one.

That being said, I'd like to retry it again sometime. Maybe take it a little slower. Some of those maps I didn't get to look really cool, especially Vultures. It's definitely not a bad WAD by any measure, but it's a different style and feel than most of the stuff I've enjoyed.

Interesting episode

Calling maps long, that’s one fair (if you are going 100% I guess) thing. Calling maps pretentious, what are you smoking?

Damn the 2nd episode was released back in 2014 and it's supposed to be a trilogy? Either the BTSX team is cooking up something big or they can't seem to make the time for it.

Also, how come this mapset doesn't have a map 32?

I comment MtPain for his honesty and sincerity in this episode. BTSX E2 is a bit overrated in my opinion.

The whole set looks beautiful and the music is killer. I think the first 10-12 maps are the wad's strongest and can easily stand with the best of episode 1. But the hub levels and the final map were a let-down when compared to its predecessor. And both Fireking and Festering Moon felt somewhat unhinged in their respective map slots. BTSX 2 is a technical marvel and a very good set overall, but no masterpiece like the first one IMO.

I hope he does a review of 1000 Lines 3 at some point. One of the best ever made in my book.

4 hours ago, Gregor said:

I hope he does a review of 1000 Lines 3 at some point. One of the best ever made in my book.

I'd love to see him cover the 1000 Lines trilogy of WADs in a compendium video similar to his 3Hours of Agony review.

I'd also love to see Zone 400 covered and a third Sawn-Off WADs episode. There's still so many smaller releases out there worthy of the Dean's grade.

I had played a part of BTSXE2 which I ended up preferring to 1. It's a very good wad but it will never surpass legendary wads like Kama Sutra or Alien Vendetta.

Despite the greater diversity in themes, the maps tend to look too samey for me.

I also felt that Mtpain was more acidic as usual but it's a matter of taste, after all.

This reminds me, I really need to play BTSXE1. I've started it several times, I really seem to like it, yet I always kinda move on to other wads. (Well, the first time I was playing on the unity port with an Xbox controller, and BTSX1 was way above my skill grade back then).

I'm not in a hurry to move on BTSXE2, though. I already knew it from Decino playthrough, and MtPain confirms it, but some of the maps really do seem like exhausting magnum opuses - which is not a fault in maps themselves, but which I know is detrimental to my enjoyment. Especially with my "gotta catch 'em^{(kills and secrets)} all" mentality.

3 hours ago, Gregor said:

I hope he does a review of 1000 Lines 3 at some point. One of the best ever made in my book.

I hope so too. But it seems that the chances of it happening are quite low due to it not much known outside of Doomworld, despite winning a cacoward.

But then, he also did Good Morning Phobos, so there is still hope.

I agree with him on MAP20, I couldn't get myself to finish it. I much prefer the beta version of it, even with all of the flaws it had. There was something about the linear journey and the various locales you visit, ending up in that village on the top of the mountain. 

I guess it comes down to personal taste.