Box Doom - Community Project [Slots Filled]

1 minute ago, tewgytaylor said:

For sure. Chances are they'll fix things in the coming updates though

Of course, it's a very big project in scope, lots of tiny details to look into. Must be really hard to get everything together just right, align textures, etc.

Sorry, I won't actually be making a map/room for this in the end

Understandable.

slot 19: metalbox.zip

Since i don't see the tag limit rule anymore, i just made a simple light sequence with 5 tags, and 2 others for teleport things, having 7 tags in total.

7 minutes ago, Cutman 999 said:

slot 19: metalbox.zip

 

Since i don't see the tag limit rule anymore, i just made a simple light sequence with 5 tags, and 2 others for teleport things, having 7 tags in total.

 was going to ask if the tag limit still applied since it was removed. I hope so as that's a very constricting rule

@randomsounds01

Do we have to request a slot?  i asked for one a while ago.

Just now, DoomGuy999 said:

@randomsounds01

Do we have to request a slot?  i asked for one a while ago.

The post says you have slot 73.

4 minutes ago, Djoga said:

The post says you have slot 73.

my bad, i didn't bother to check. i thought he was going to reply. sorry :(

Update to my rooms, using a few more tags since rule was removed.

Boxes1.2.zip

Some things I noticed and need to be fixed:

1) Currently, the doors that connect each box need to be fixed in two ways: A) make them the generalized linedef action 15631 (no tag required), so they cannot be opened by monsters. Right now they use just a simple "1: DR Open Door" so monsters can open them and go from one box to another before the player even still finished in the current box. And B) Make the doors' linedefs "Sound Blocking", otherwise the fighting in one of the boxes will wake up monsters in the next box/es.

2) Sector alignment needs to be properly checked for each individual box not just whole-map checking. I didn't see all the maps, but some of them might have different grid alignment than others, so this should be paid attention to:

3) I found this thing:

Also if you check the map for errors (I suggest Eureka), you will find lots of issues that might not be map-design stuff. Just be aware that some Boom related design tricks look like map errors but they are not!

Hopefully these issues above are addressed at some point.

Currently it is too late for this, but for next editions the connections between boxes could be improved. Boxes of different dimensions and with entrace/exit doors of different width cannot be properly connected by just a simple door without having to modify one of the boxes and making them look different than what the author intended. A connection in a door-corridor-door fashion might work and look better and potentially allow an easier connection.

5 minutes ago, macro said:

Some things I noticed and need to be fixed:

 

1) Currently, the doors that connect each box need to be fixed in two ways: A) make them the generalized linedef action 15631 (no tag required), so they cannot be opened by monsters. Right now they use just a simple "1: DR Open Door" so monsters can open them and go from one box to another before the player even still finished in the current box. And B) Make the doors' linedefs "Sound Blocking", otherwise the fighting in one of the boxes will wake up monsters in the next box/es.

 

2) Sector alignment needs to be properly checked for each individual box not just whole-map checking. I didn't see all the maps, but some of them might have different grid alignment than others, so this should be paid attention to:

 

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3) I found this thing:

 

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Also if you check the map for errors (I suggest Eureka), you will find lots of issues that might not be map-design stuff. Just be aware that some Boom related design tricks look like map errors but they are not!

 

Hopefully these issues above are addressed at some point.

Currently it is too late for this, but for next editions the connections between boxes could be improved. Boxes of different dimensions and with entrace/exit doors of different width cannot be properly connected by just a simple door without having to modify one of the boxes and making them look different than what the author intended. A connection in a door-corridor-door fashion might work and look better and potentially allow an easier connection.

The original layout was good, but I think he didn't take the bigger boxes dimesnions and how they's change stuff around. How about trying to make a new 512 by 512 grid, and then just pasting the rooms in a centralized way? Something like this would be the result. 

25 minutes ago, jo2ukegappy said:

 

The original layout was good, but I think he didn't take the bigger boxes dimesnions and how they's change stuff around. How about trying to make a new 512 by 512 grid, and then just pasting the rooms in a centralized way? Something like this would be the result. 

 

The original layout is good, but not the connection between boxes.

At first sight your idea might look good, but you are not considering a situation like this:

Note how in room #1 the outmost corners are NOT aligned to the 64 grid so the light textures can be shown like that.

In room #2, such texture alignment is not possible if you want that same room structure and dimensions. But still, it is valid of course and it has different purpose.

The point is, for rooms with different grid alignment like in the example above how would you connect both rooms with one simple door without looking sloppy and without modifying the map structure?

18 minutes ago, macro said:

 

The original layout is good, but not the connection between boxes.

At first sight your idea might look good, but you are not considering a situation like this:

 

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Note how in room #1 the outmost corners are NOT aligned to the 64 grid so the light textures can be shown like that.

In room #2, such texture alignment is not possible if you want that same room structure and dimensions. But still, it is valid of course and it has different purpose.

The point is, for rooms with different grid alignment like in the example above how would you connect both rooms with one simple door without looking sloppy and without modifying the map structure?

If there are not many misaligned textures, I think I would make some new flats with different offsets. I've seen this be used as a strategy for counteracting the alignment issues in some megawads. 

Edit: Like this, for instance.

Base:

Alt: 

3 minutes ago, jo2ukegappy said:

 

If there are not many misaligned textures, I think I would make some new flats with different offsets. I've seen this be used as a strategy for counteracting the alignment issues in some megawads. 

That is totally correct and a great solution but someone needs to keep track of that, be in charge of modifying custom textures and check and apply the corresponding textures to all the needed sectors.

Box authors might not be aware or care that their maps won't naturally fit into the general grid alignment of the other rooms so I wouldn't count on them creating custom textures.

1 minute ago, macro said:

 

That is totally correct and a great solution but someone needs to keep track of that, be in charge of modifying custom textures and check and apply the corresponding textures to all the needed sectors.

Box authors might not be aware or care that their maps won't naturally fit into the general grid alignment of the other rooms so I wouldn't count on them creating custom textures.

Yes, probably not, but it would be something I'd be glad to help with if it's not an excessive amount of work. This is the first time I ever participate on these kinds of projects so I'm pretty excited about it. Still, I think I'd use that solution only as a last resort. I have no idea the amount of work that goes behind building a Community project from the ground up, specially one like this where instead of each one contributing a map, each person contributes a room instead. 

@macro @jo2ukegappy @Djoga On flats missalignment and current alpha build flaws in general: I think we should wait until we get more maps in before we do adjustments. sure, stuff like mistagging and the messed-up Box-23 should be taken care of as soon as possible, as those will get worse the longer they're kept that way. but if we fix flats before we get in new maps, who knows if a new big-map will make randomsounds have to move around the rooms again and repeat the same problem they just fixed

And @randomsounds01: I'm willing to help with map assembly and bug fixes, if you need it

1 hour ago, No-Man Baugh said:

@macro @jo2ukegappy @Djoga On flats missalignment and current alpha build flaws in general: I think we should wait until we get more maps in before we do adjustments. sure, stuff like mistagging and the messed-up Box-23 should be taken care of as soon as possible, as those will get worse the longer they're kept that way. but if we fix flats before we get in new maps, who knows if a new big-map will make randomsounds have to move around the rooms again and repeat the same problem they just fixed

 

And @randomsounds01: I'm willing to help with map assembly and bug fixes, if you need it

I am not in a hurry tho. And yeah I'd help too, especially with doors and that voodoo doll bug.

Anyway I'd like to make a final contribution and take slot 14.

Yeah I think I'll take a final submission if that's cool. Put me down for Box 57, please.

Here it is. Pretty much a 384x384 box. 14 'Drop Dead'.zip

@randomsounds01 Finally, here are all my rooms in their beautiful glory. Everyone please let me know what you think and if you find any issues. These rooms are the most updated versions. Please feel free to use their screenshots in your promotional material too. After I receive feedback, I will update them and post them later, thank you.

Download:

Room 33:

Room 34:

Room 69:

Room XX:

Here are my two submissions (in one wad file) ready for playtesting. I added some extra enemies, tags, and detailing between this version and the last. Gonna get started on my third submission later tonight.

Boxes71and72.zip

On 9/11/2023 at 6:10 PM, Halfblind said:

@randomsounds01 Finally, here are all my rooms in their beautiful glory. Everyone please let me know what you think and if you find any issues. These rooms are the most updated versions. Please feel free to use their screenshots in your promotional material too. After I receive feedback, I will update them and post them later, thank you.

Great stuff, BlindChaos! Really good detailing and lighting throughout. 33 and 34 flowed well into each other; I'm glad you extended that theme for more than one room. I think my favorite was 69 for the gruesomeness, atmosphere, and the Caco usage - you really made them quite a threat. 

The only issue I noticed is in 69: sometimes the Archvile gets stuck in his blood column. Seemed to happen randomly. Aside from that, I imagine there may need to be some ammo adjustments down the line as the rest of the rooms are integrated, but that'll probably be the case with most boxes.

Nice job!

How are you doing guys?

I'm submitting a candidate for room 57. It's called "Return to Cell 666".

It's the first time I'm participating in a community project, so let me know if I did something wrong.

It's also been almost 28 years since I made a map for DOOM 2, so I had to re-learn the craft.

Edit: I think 57 was already claimed by @stochastic. In that case, mine can go to slot 60. 

CELL666.zip

7 minutes ago, Slaughter said:

How are you doing guys?

I'm submitting a candidate for room 57. It's called "Return to Cell 666".

It's the first time I'm participating in a community project, so let me know if I did something wrong.

It's also been almost 28 years since I made a map for DOOM 2, so I had to re-learn the craft.

 

 

CELL666.zip

That's really cool. I'll have to check it out. Are you perchance a compatriot of mine? 

4 minutes ago, jo2ukegappy said:

 

That's really cool. I'll have to check it out. Are you perchance a compatriot of mine? 

Hi!

If you are brazillian then we indeed are!

cheers!

9 minutes ago, Slaughter said:

Hi!

If you are brazillian then we indeed are!

 

cheers!

Yes, I am. Nice to meet you, friend!

On 9/10/2023 at 8:53 PM, Djoga said:

Alright I put my rooms in one wad. Djoga 13-38.zip

For your convenience I changed their tags so room 13's tags are 131-134 and room 38's are 381-384. I also made their layouts to be copypasted before the rooms themselves.

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In order not to break unconnected sectors (85, 217 etc.), you first need to copypaste the layout and then drag the corresponding room inside it with "Merge Dragged Vertices Only" enabled in "Edit".

@randomsounds01 I checked the new alpha and noticed you put the old versions of rooms 13 and 38.

That archive has new ones in it.

If it hasn’t been claimed yet, I’d like room 30.

I made some minor changes to cell666 and updated the file in the original post.

I'm linking it again here for convenience: CELL666.zip