(The Ultimate) Return to Hadron (IDgames)

Holy shit.

Big big fan of your UD episodes. In my head, Draft Excluder had always been the true episode 4 of the Hadron series (also my most favourite episode 4 of all time hands down), but I guess I won't be able to say that anymore :p

15 minutes ago, Firedust said:

In my head, Draft Excluder had always been the true episode 4 of the Hadron series (also my most favourite episode 4 of all time hands down), but I guess I won't be able to say that anymore :p

Was just about to say this same thing!

This is really exciting, and although I knew cannonball was working on some solo project, I wasn't expecting it to take this form. I really like the blue/green/high-tech theme instead of it just being a red/marble/rocky Hell episode.

This was fun to test and completely absent of the grind that you sometimes see in UD maps. I think I only shotgunned one or two barons through the whole episode and that was just me being frugal with rockets and cells. Beware, it gets pretty spicy in some places!

Neat, a full UD megawad is born!

LETS GOOOOO

I don't really like UD WADs because the design choice is much more limited than D2 being able to offer, but, if I have fun in an UD WAD, that says something :)

cannonball maps are always fun to play, and it has some beautiful looking maps in E4 for sure.

26 minutes ago, GarrettChan said:

I don't really like UD WADs...

That's generally my feeling too - I love the SSG and extra monsters so much. But Return to Hadron was by far the most enjoyable Doom 1 WAD I have ever played, so I will definitely be getting stuck into this. What an unexpected present!

The Return to Hadron series has been my favorite Ultimate Doom WADs since I played them. I didn't expect there to ever be a fourth episode, so this is a very pleasant surprise!

20 hours ago, cannonball said:

created a slime trail the size of the North sea when saving one map that one extra time

Yeah it's still there, or back, or something. (E4M8)

I rebuilt the nodes using BSP-W32 and that seems to make it go away. I haven't tried the level at all beyond seeing if that made a difference so it's slightly possible something else got messed up but hopefully not. I don't recall you doing any fancy sector effects or BSP tricks on this map at least.

https://user.fm/files/v2-58b316536f69d811523f4454a48af51d/HadronE4RC1-48.zip

See below for a version with additional fixes.

(maybe you have a different nodebuilder configuration for testing than you do for just saving the map? or that sector is haunted, could be either.)

7 hours ago, Firedust said:

Holy shit.

Big big fan of your UD episodes. In my head, Draft Excluder had always been the true episode 4 of the Hadron series (also my most favourite episode 4 of all time hands down), but I guess I won't be able to say that anymore :p

Missed this in my earlier post, but I guess you can consider it the fourth episode of Cannonball's earlier 'ConC.E.R.Ned' megawad. Its only a year earlier than Draft Excluder too. It does say 'Episode 4 replacement for the Ultimate Doom which may or may not be related in any shape or form to Concerned :P' in the readme afterall!

(Does Return to Hadron's first episode have a title btw?)

Fantastic stuff! Reminds me I need to continue my playthrough of E2 and finish this series good and proper. Congrats on the release Cannonball! :)

9 hours ago, Devalaous said:

 

Missed this in my earlier post, but I guess you can consider it the fourth episode of Cannonball's earlier 'ConC.E.R.Ned' megawad. Its only a year earlier than Draft Excluder too. It does say 'Episode 4 replacement for the Ultimate Doom which may or may not be related in any shape or form to Concerned :P' in the readme afterall!

 

(Does Return to Hadron's first episode have a title btw?)

The first episode of Return to Hadron is essentially self-titled (Again the consequence of a rather haphazard development cycle).

Draft excluder was and always was a standalone episode that essentially has nothing to do with any other Ultimate Doom wads I have made. The reason for that was because at the time I was planning to simply make something that showed that I had progressed beyond the rather flawed project of ConC.E.RNed. It was only after this that I went back to decided to “Remake” the previous works I had done (Though again we moved further and further away from this as each episode was released).

New E4M8 fix for these issues below: https://user.fm/files/v2-652f520a4f59179f86ebbde076d51449/HadronE4RC1-48.zip

E4M8 has some weird HOMs in the fight where you first get the BFG. I didn't catch this in the prerelease version because I didn't play through this map because of the other problems. It's new to this release, missing some lower textures. "Map is haunted" confirmed.

Also, the cyberdemon in the red key dropdown area can become alert before you go down. At first I thought it was intentional, but it seems inconsistent, so it's probably a variaton on the Sleeping sergeant bug. Moving the cyber a few units fixes things.

No haunting this time, this is what happens when I used UDoombuilder's error checking function and obviously it flags unused textures (except of course the textures in question here are not used initially but are when the wall lowers). In short this one was on me.

BTW I hope I'm not overstepping by posting a wad with fixes, would just be a shame for anyone playing the RC to get to the last map and think it's broken.

Ah, so this is what you've been up to, you sly dog! Maps look awesome cb, and knowing you it'll be a blast to playthrough. You're like the pizza place of mapping—just damn good stuff every time I visit.

10 hours ago, plums said:

BTW I hope I'm not overstepping by posting a wad with fixes, would just be a shame for anyone playing the RC to get to the last map and think it's broken.

It’s fine and it is nice to have some hot fixes to prevent players thinking that the world they are inhabiting isn’t slowly descending into a hom-filled nightmare (funnily enough I was going through that mapping and fixing them around the time you posted these so hopefully RC2 should be covered now in regards to visual issues on this map).

I discovered a HoM in E4M7 (line 2074), the result of a missing lower texture.

Other than that, this was an absolute blast to play! I had no idea more RtH was in the works, so this came as a welcome surprise. I really appreciate the encounter design in particular: despite the shift away from the free-form action of prior episodes -- which leverages D1's bestiary better than any other wad I've played -- to a more set-piece approach, I didn't find myself noticing the absence of D2's roster at all. The mini-mastermind and plasma zombie help with this, of course, since both fill some of the gaps in the base game's bestiary, but it is a hella impressive feat nevertheless.

The increased aesthetic, tonal and thematic range is also appreciated - I love the industrial elegance of RtH E1 / E2, for sure, but I'm glad that E4 is such a bold departure from the norm vis-a-vis UD wads in general, especially since the whole 'Thy Flesh Consumed' aesthetic has been extensively explored in Draft Excluder already.

Cheers for the feedback so far;

Here is RC2

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ioyu9n3g6v7egyys2s03c/HadronE4RC2.wad?rlkey=7n7yqff1wqn89xmtxu9tfgk5i&dl=0

Changes (Not many)

E4M7 - Fixed hom created when the final trap is released.

E4M8 - Fixed glitches and slightly tweaked the blue key pickup (nothing major)

Beyond this;

Well this is potentially the last RC involving these 9 maps alone. This is the point where the four episodes will be combined into a final megawad. Though details are still a little unclear in my mind in regards to how this panned out, though I do have a compilation of E1-3 that had some edits (Mostly visual though there are a few misgivings that I have addressed, mostly streamlining E3M7/E3M8 a little bit to make them a little less stodgy) that was just sitting on my hard drive so I would be adding to that.

Started my playthrough, having a blast so far. Will edit this post if I run into any bugs.

Just a couple things:

1. E4M3 has no means for the player to return to the previous areas. Kind of a shame for those trying to get full kills and secrets on first playthrough. Same applies to E4M1 - if you miss that green armor, you can kiss all secrets goodbye! Unless I missed something, in which case I apologise.

2. E4M4 is really tight on ammo at the start, especially for the blue key fight. Even if you manage to locate all the secrets up until that point, you're still left with very little, and there isn't enough space to instigate infighting without clearing some of the meat yourself. I mean, you get several cacos, couple barons, and a horde of imps and pinkies... While it is doable, you'll be left with nada once you're done cleaning up.

Also, you know, the fast marines... When I first encountered them here, I thought, 'hey, these guys aren't as bad to fight as I remember', and then it dawned on me... Unlike their super irritating Scythe / Machete brethren, these guys stop moving entirely once they start firing! Definitely a positive change in my books, because they still pose a serious threat minus the deathmatch obnoxiousness.

EDIT:

E4M5: secret sector 187 is empty on UV. Very mean.

E4M7: This one really reminds me of that map from Microslaughter Community Project - you've got a wall of pinkies shielding you from cyberdemons and you have to get through as quickly as you can before it gets too dangerous.

E4M8: BFG fight, some barons teleport into the area from where you dropped down into the pit, left to hang by the waterfall or yellow key door and unable to do anything, which means they are useless.

Alright, I am done! Thank you for making this wonderful episode, had a blast!

Just want to say, I really appreciate you having stuck around and making maps for such a long time, even if you've been busy irl. I've really enjoyed your output ever since I played the first RTH episode and your Slaughterfest maps. It's been a great pleasure and joy.

This leaves us with two questions.
Episode 5? Yes? Maybe?
And...
Is the episode endscreen from your D2 megawad? :D

P.S.: Your Hell Revealations and Hardfest 2 maps were fantastic as well.

7 hours ago, Firedust said:

Alright, I am done! Thank you for making this wonderful episode, had a blast!

Just want to say, I really appreciate you having stuck around and making maps for such a long time, even if you've been busy irl. I've really enjoyed your output ever since I played the first RTH episode and your Slaughterfest maps. It's been a great pleasure and joy.

 

This leaves us with two questions.
Episode 5? Yes? Maybe?
And...
Is the episode endscreen from your D2 megawad? :D

P.S.: Your Hell Revealations and Hardfest 2 maps were fantastic as well.

Cheers for the feedback, hopefully I should be able to tweak things to resolve some of the issues you picked up. Just a couple of notes, unless I have screwed up there is a teleporter behind the exit portal in E4M3 that takes you back to the start of the map, the secret in question in E4M5 should have a soulsphere on all skill levels, though as a last minute decision I tweaked that area and accidentally removed the power up on UV (This should have been fixed in RC2 unless again I screwed up).

E4M7 is indeed inspired majorly by RJD's map from Microslaughter (It was my favourite map from that wad).

So to answer the two questions in your post;

E5 - This won't happen, I would say that I am planning to move on from making maps under complevel 3, but I suspect I will always chip in a map or so for any project that peaks my interest.

The endscreen is indeed a pic from outside the start of Map01 of Atomic, and indeed the purpose of RTH E4 was to connect the dots between E1-3 and Atomic because making random lore is fun. Hopefully I can actually make some progress on Atomic next year.

Just now, cannonball said:

Just a couple of notes, unless I have screwed up there is a teleporter behind the exit portal in E4M3 that takes you back to the start of the map, the secret in question in E4M5 should have a soulsphere on all skill levels, though as a last minute decision I tweaked that area and accidentally removed the power up on UV

I believe you accidentally put the soulsphere outside the secret xD

I'vee only played the first map and I already love it. the amount of hitscan enemies in your face makes you run into items by pure luck. A moment of panic can can disappear in a second. 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:49 PM, cannonball said:

This is the point where the four episodes will be combined into a final megawad. Though details are still a little unclear in my mind in regards to how this panned out, though I do have a compilation of E1-3 that had some edits (Mostly visual though there are a few misgivings that I have addressed, mostly streamlining E3M7/E3M8 a little bit to make them a little less stodgy) that was just sitting on my hard drive so I would be adding to that.

I was curious about this, the first thing I did after downloading this was checking if it would fit with the uhadron that you released around the time E3 came out, but I didn't think it would be possible because of the new Dehacked work and the different textures. Excited to see how this works out, and how Atomic will pan out.

RC3 is now out;

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fah6yh7efdgoy8ehmmsmk/HadronE4RC3.zip?rlkey=bcvze7jtdix42mpmk3ucefgk9&dl=0

Changes

Update;

So here is the first draft of the full 4 episode compilation

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/izsthxnpzr75lwl983zqv/uhadronrc1.zip?rlkey=nlqep9axiwjuo1v9e01y0oa4f&st=q6y7b7ys&dl=0

Changelog

I also revised the midi choices throughout

I have played through all of the maps to make sure 100% of everything is possible on UV, though knowing me I probably did something unconsciously to break something.

If I were you, I'd prolly create a separate thread for the complete project, seeing as how this one was used just for e4 :)

2 hours ago, cannonball said:

Update;

 

So here is the first draft of the full 4 episode compilation

Since I've played episodes 1 and 2 last month I jumped into the full compilation (really enjoyed ConC.E.R.Ned and Return to hadron).

In E1M1 you can pass through these fences:

Playing on GzDoom 4.12.1 with software mode and doom strict compatibility mode.