[Community Project] Doom 2 Minus Doom (development thread)

@Kuro_mahoh@Bochnik ChlebaThanks for the updates!

@Demonic MeatballThank you so much for all your help with this project - you should really be named co-lead on this thing! The Freedoom 2 assets TEXTURE1 lump looks complete. And yes, to my eternal shame, I mistakenly included CEMENT6 in the image of allowed textures/flats. CEMENT6 IS NOT ALLOWED - many apologies for the misleading image! I've updated the image.

@Anarkzie@PasokonDeaconAny updates?

EDIT: I'll also share my updated MAP23, which hopefully addresses the issues Demonic Meatball noted and slightly improves the aesthetics: MAP23_Abyss_-_janiform V5.zip

If I'm not at school I'll release CWILVS as soon as all the maps are ready.And if you need music,say.

3 hours ago, Demonic Meatball said:

DOORTRAK isn't allowed.

Wait. Aren't things like DOORTRAK allowed? I can change It btw

@Walter confetti

On 12/12/2023 at 6:15 PM, janiform said:

and will confirm that DOORTRAK and SUPPORT3 are forbidden for this project

The OP said key textures are allowed, so DOORRED, DOORBLU ect. but not DOORTRAK

-Removed rest of prohibited textures

UndertimeV4

All fixed. I don't understand the "switches are on the wrong side" issue in the map06 revenant pillar. The player is supposed to have to investigate the inside of the space where the revenant was in order to open the secret.         

Map01      

Map06

@Bochnik Chleba Oooooooooooooooh very neat !

@janiform Thank you for the kind words ! I just have to point out that the OP still has the old image in it, just at the end of the post instead of the middle.

@Kuro_mahoh Thank you for the changes. FLOOR4_6 is not allowed though.

@Rorix Thank you for your maps.

I failed to correctly point out the problem, so I'll explain. They're not on the wrong side actually, they're just extremely misalined, and by extremely misalined, I mean

@Demonic Meatball I forgot that was a doom 1 texture whoops

Undertime version 4.4453561516156273636171677 (Also known as version 5)

Back to the quick rundowns, going to Map21 :

     - @Eon Toad MAP13 : - FLOOR0_1 and CEIL1_1 aren't allowed (mainly change for sector 120).

                                      - Needs Coop/DM Starts.

     - @RED77 MAP15 : SUPPORT3, EXITDOOR and maybe EXITSTON idk I have to ask @janiform about this - aren't allowed.

     - @Anarkzie MAP16 : The map is missing a map.

     - @stridertech MAP17 : - METAL1 isn't allowed.

                                        - Needs a Player 4 Start.

                                        - Protip : if you don't use SW1SKULL or SW2SKULL, use SLOPPY1 and 2 instead of SK_RIGHT or SK_LEFT.

                                        - Major texture misalinement here :

     - @Bagellio MAP21 : Ending Arachnotrons are stuck and can't shoot.

46 minutes ago, Demonic Meatball said:

Back to the quick rundowns, going to Map21 :

     - @Eon Toad MAP13 : - FLOOR0_1 and CEIL1_1 aren't allowed (mainly change for sector 120).

                                      - Needs Coop/DM Starts.

     - @RED77 MAP15 : SUPPORT3, EXITDOOR and maybe EXITSTON idk I have to ask @janiform about this - aren't allowed.

     - @Anarkzie MAP16 : The map is missing a map.

     - @stridertech MAP17 : - METAL1 isn't allowed.

                                        - Needs a Player 4 Start.

                                        - Protip : if you don't use SW1SKULL or SW2SKULL, use SLOPPY1 and 2 instead of SK_RIGHT or SK_LEFT.

                                        - Major texture misalinement here :

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     - @Bagellio MAP21 : Ending Arachnotrons are stuck and can't shoot.

Still working on it, it will take awhile but it is coming.

Whoopsie! I just fixed the switches. Map

There was an old version of stuff.

HELP+DEH.zip

On 4/3/2024 at 5:27 PM, Demonic Meatball said:

    - MAP11 : - MFLR8_2 isn't allowed.

here is the updated version of my map with that issue fixed 

MAP 11 dead battery 1.2

Its the final rundown ! (tururuuuu-doooo)

     - @Forgotten Soul MAP22 : - Needs to implement DM.

                                             - The progression is pretty unclear. Half the time, after pressing a switch you'll wander around the whole map looking for what it did.

                                             - Falling in the area behind sector 155 is a softlock.

     - @janiform MAP23 : - You didn't really adress the problems I raised about the soulsphere secret. Now it's a bit too obvious. I imagined it a bit more like this :

                                     - The fake wall secret could use a little hint.

     - @Sneezy McGlassFace MAP24 : - The map needs some "fast travel" options, 'cause lemme tell ya, re-doing the whole post blue key path every time I wanna retry the jump to that one secret gets repetitive very quickly.

                                                    - Sector 947 is tagged as secret, even though it doesn't contain anything and I'm pretty sure it is unreachable.

     - @PasokonDeacon MAP26 : Map is missing a map.

     - @Andrea Rovenski MAP28 : - SUPPORT3 isn't allowed.

                                               - Shouldn't the teleporters for the Viles at the start be one-time use ?

6 hours ago, Demonic Meatball said:

MAP24 : - The map needs some "fast travel" options, 'cause lemme tell ya, re-doing the whole post blue key path every time I wanna retry the jump to that one secret gets repetitive very quickly.

                                                    - Sector 947 is tagged as secret, even thoug it doesn't contain anything and I'm pretty sure it is unreachable.

I'll have a look after work, and report back. 

13 hours ago, Demonic Meatball said:

Its the final rundown ! (tururuuuu-doooo)

 

     - @Forgotten Soul MAP22 : - Needs to implement DM.

                                             - The progression is pretty unclear. Half the time, after pressing a switch you'll wander around the whole map looking for what it did.

                                             - Falling in the area behind sector 155 is a softlock.

     - @janiform MAP23 : - You didn't really adress the problems I raised about the soulsphere secret. Now it's a bit too obvious. I imagined it a bit more like this :

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before :

after :

also damn, some of those textures are really misaligned.

                                     - The fake wall secret could use a little hint.

 

     - @Sneezy McGlassFace MAP24 : - The map needs some "fast travel" options, 'cause lemme tell ya, re-doing the whole post blue key path every time I wanna retry the jump to that one secret gets repetitive very quickly.

                                                    - Sector 947 is tagged as secret, even thoug it doesn't contain anything and I'm pretty sure it is unreachable.

     - @RileyXY1 MAP25 : DOORTRAK isn't allowed.

     - @PasokonDeacon MAP26 : Map is missing a map.

     - @Andrea Rovenski MAP28 : - SUPPORT3 and DOORTRAK aren't allowed.

                                               - Shouldn't the teleporters for the Viles at the start be one-time use ?

Added some things that shows what is opened.

MAP22.zip

Say if I need to fix some things.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (F####NG DEHACKED FILE DELETED MY PROGRESS 3 TIMES,3!)

Some stuff like help and credit pics,demos and D2MD.DEH.

Cool stuff.zip

17 hours ago, Demonic Meatball said:

- Shouldn't the teleporters for the Viles at the start be one-time use ?

nah

but i redid the textures, thanks. 

map28.zip

Revised version of MAP03 - sorry this took me a while! All disallowed textures should be removed minus the DOORTRAK and CRATOPs - I thought we were okay to use those still? If that's changed, let me know and I'll make further edits.

I actually wanted to completely redesign this map from scratch a while ago, as its now over a year old, but I kept forgetting so I'll have live with it the way it is :p I made a couple of minor visual changes and the red key setup now a bit better.

Custom MIDI included, by Bucket from .MID the Way id Did.

sick! I had not checked this forum in a while so I am very happy I get to play this now! Thank you everybody!!!

@Somniac Thanks ! The map is very much more atmospheric now. Few things :

     - The CRATOPs are actually banned.

     - Forgot to add it last time, but the map also needs DM starts.

     - I already wrote a track for the map, you didn't need to add one.

     - Door that used to not open now opens... the other door.

     - Manc stuck on sector 218.

     - Sector 219 doesn't lower when it should.

Thanks to everyone for posting updates, and to @Demonic Meatball for the extensive playtesting! I'm downloading all the updates and will start compiling them into a release candidate as soon as @Anarkzie and @PasokonDeacon have submitted their maps.

@Forgotten SoulThanks so much for this! I may have other plans for the help/credits screens, but the dehacked and level names you've done are a major help.

@Demonic MeatballThanks, I'll work on a V6 of MAP23 to address the soulsphere secret and align some textures.

Regarding DOORTRAK: IMO this is a low-content utility texture similar to the STEP textures, and probably should get an exception. So if you don't want to change your DOORTRAK use in a submitted map, that's fine. tl;dr: DOORTRAK is okay.

@Demonic Meatball my bad, I haven't been keeping up with the thread, didn't know you were handling MIDIs! I'll give the map another once-over and correct the outstanding issues this evening.

This should be the final version of MAP03. Changes:

-CRATOPs removed

-Mancubus unstuck

-sector 219 lowers now

-doors to SSG room fixed

-added a few extra enemies + some health/ammo in the exit room

-DM starts added

@Somniac Link broken. Did you delete your map ?

1 hour ago, Demonic Meatball said:

@Somniac Link broken. Did you delete your map ?

Sorry, I put the wrong link. This one works :)

@Somniac - CRATOP1s are replaced, but not the CRATOP2s

                 - Dafak

                   The ending switch

                   It's broken

                   It doesn't end the map anymore

                   How

D2MD M21v3 - bagellio.zip

fixed the issues with the arachnotrons at the end. was definitely interesting revisiting this map over a year after i first made it lol.

@Demonic Meatball all sorted, sorry for the million revisions!

MAP03 - all CRATOPs changed, exit line repaired

Added a pair of backtrack routes from the final half to the first (one semi-secret, one secret) as @Demonic Meatball suggestion, keep the DOORTRAK since it's ok to use:

d2md-wa2b.zip