DBP65 - Sanguine Holy Land

ohhhhh yes!!

Wooohoo new DBP! Great screens, looking forward to playing it!

Ok, that looks amazing.

MAP04 crashes in GZDoom if you put up a nomonsters flag which is strange.

34 minutes ago, NuMetalManiak said:

MAP04 crashes in GZDoom if you put up a nomonsters flag which is strange. 

Thank you!

I seem to have fixed this now. Fixed map should appear in a bugfix (when it happens ofc)

Good stuff folks, had a bit of free time today so here's an ol' UV-Fast of Map 1:

Will get back to the rest at some point :)

Just a heads up:  I recommend saves. 

I'm at Map06 and have pretty much died at the last fight on every map while cl2 recording fdas before dying, they can lead you on.  Good maps tho.

edit: def some hard fights ahead too :)

edit2: here's and fda dump for the mother-borg noisy_DBP65_v1_fdas.zip

I've only got through 'Bloody Pulpit' and I can already tell it's going to be great. The Chrono Trigger music is perfect. I've also noticed quite a change in difficulty compared to previous DBPs....it's a tough map, and I barely got through the secret fight. Hopefully I'll be able to rise to the challenge :D

Difficulties do not work.

Here we go again...

Looks incredible as usual, DBP always delivers :)

Apologies for double posting, but something I found on map05. Right before the final fight, if you bump your head on the ceiling as the lift goes back up, there is a HOM right under where the supercharge sits.

In addition, once this happens the medikit closest to the lift seems to clip onto it, rather than the floor where it was originally sitting. This was on latest GZDoom (not sure if that has anything to do with it but wanted to give details)

cant wait to try out this new, already promising looking DBP cooked meal of a Mapset~

It was a pleasure to work with you, DB guys, I hope I'll make some new maps for future projects.

Hope you guys liked my MAP10, I tried my best to make it atmospheric, spooky, and engaging

(btw, hope i'll get a personal doomwiki article sometime...)

I had a lot of fun with it, but there is one thing I need to report.

In GZDoom, you can bypass the key lock thing in map12 by running up to it. I don't think it's intentional since the keylock thing doesn't disappear.

Other than that, I really liked the atmosphere this time around!

the texture work looks grand. I'll have to try it out. 

ok so i play things on brutal doom and as it happens all the vases turn into doom guys that will kill the shit out of you. so uh don't try this on BD ahahah.......

Yeah we had the same problem with DBP54 compatibility and some mods since the vases replace the SSGuy. If a fix ever comes for that wad I will add it here as well.

On 4/13/2024 at 2:58 PM, Broadsword Jim said:

Difficulties do not work.

Sorry Jim, some maps do have difficulty settings, some don't. Thats just the nature of these projects. I will make an attempt to get difficulty settings from the mappers where they are missing before the wad is finalized.

Thanks again to all the mappers and especially the playtesters!

I think this topic about difficulties was covered in a previous DBP thread where I also posted but here's my view (again):

These projects are basically recurring 1 month (or rarely, 2 month) speedmapping sessions where most of the effort goes into other stuff like the aesthetic cohesion of the wad, the vibes, thematic unity, and even new mechanics like we saw in Zeppelin Armada. On that front, the results are consistently excellent. If somehow the focus would also include the implementation of difficulties - a complex issue in itself - then you have to give something up, which is time. Are you willing to wait, say, 3 or 4 months for a new DBP with fully implemented difficulties? I personally think it's not really worth it given the rhythm and the vision(s) that the teams established.

Finished this today. It's an excellent map set with a super pleasing and unique combination of aesthetics, and damn interesting (and hard!) fights.  I haven't found all the secrets because some of them seem pretty difficult or obscure. 2 things I want to flag:

1. The map ordering is a bit weird, I'm not saying that every single map set should go from easy to difficult and/or low monster count to high monster count, but the second half up to 'Laceration Forest' seems to have this issue of a pacing dip when compared to the quite intense and tricky first third or first half.

2. 'Primrose Path' is great but at the same time it's incredibly easy to get lost or miss key stuff due to how complex the layout is. A blind run took me about 45 minutes and even then I couldn't max it or find the (sole?) secret. It frequently feels like a Thief 1 or Thief 2 map where you have 20 entry points into a single crucial area, but the side paths are ultimately more interesting. While I definitely think that interconnectedness is a sign of good design, it's taken quite far here; a problem amplified by just how LARGE the map is. I'd wager that the "real" secret count including all sorts of hidden passages and switches is something closer to 10 or 15, yet I couldn't figure out the majority of these.

Loved it overall though, I know some new versions are on their way based on player feedback but I thought it would be useful to raise the points above for future projects maybe.

On 4/16/2024 at 11:19 AM, DreadWanderer said:

If somehow the focus would also include the implementation of difficulties - a complex issue in itself - then you have to give something up, which is time. Are you willing to wait, say, 3 or 4 months for a new DBP with fully implemented difficulties? I personally think it's not really worth it given the rhythm and the vision(s) that the teams established.

It is not my biggest problem of the DBP wads that difficulty settings are not implemented. My biggest issue is that difficulty is so inconsistent. Some maps have no setting at all, some have some token difficulty settings. Some maps have a moderate amount of monsters, others are overstuffed. The end result of this is rather low replay value of these map sets. They all look nice and are fine for a single playthrough but the persistent lack of even some token effort to smooth out the maps' difficulties really hurts them in my opinion.

any other mod recommendations for this one?

23 minutes ago, Professor Hastig said:

 

It is not my biggest problem of the DBP wads that difficulty settings are not implemented. My biggest issue is that difficulty is so inconsistent. Some maps have no setting at all, some have some token difficulty settings. Some maps have a moderate amount of monsters, others are overstuffed. The end result of this is rather low replay value of these map sets. They all look nice and are fine for a single playthrough but the persistent lack of even some token effort to smooth out the maps' difficulties really hurts them in my opinion.

 

Ah well, I think this is a slightly different aspect. It has some connection to my criticism of map order and pacing, so I sympathize with this view. I don't know what to say about replay value per se - I've played every DBP at least once; twice in the case of sets where I decided to record UV max playthroughs for my channel. Almost every time I came back with excitement. Does this mean there aren't issues? Ofc not, there's always that "oh shit, it's THAT map" moment. But given how prolific the teams are, I personally don't put replayability at the center. And to be honest, there's wads that are much tighter combat-wise (according to some nebulous consensus) which I would not play twice because something else bothered me (it's beyond my skill level or the visuals are bland or the detailing is minimal and so on).

3 hours ago, MonsterZero said:

any other mod recommendations for this one?

Sound reverberations mod like LiveReverb maybe

Found a soft lock in map05, on a lock in fight, if you cross the line that activates the lockin a second time, then it locks you in permanantly. Can be fixed by converting to a W1 instead of a WR.

@AdamTheSlave Hey, saw that you also encountered a bug in MAP11 regarding the Berserk not triggering correctly at the start of the map.

Judging from your screenshot of MAP05, you seem to be using PrBoom+, and I was able to replicate the issue in that source port by playing with the default complevel, as well as with DSDA-Doom at "-complevel 9".

Running PrBoom+ with the "-complevel 2" argument seems to fix that issue. I apologize for any inconvenience.

ahh, thanks @Rancid Sam guess I should have read the manual :D

15 hours ago, DreadWanderer said:

Finished this today. It's an excellent map set with a super pleasing and unique combination of aesthetics, and damn interesting (and hard!) fights.  I haven't found all the secrets because some of them seem pretty difficult or obscure. 2 things I want to flag:

1. The map ordering is a bit weird, I'm not saying that every single map set should go from easy to difficult and/or low monster count to high monster count, but the second half up to 'Laceration Forest' seems to have this issue of a pacing dip when compared to the quite intense and tricky first third or first half.

 

2. 'Primrose Path' is great but at the same time it's incredibly easy to get lost or miss key stuff due to how complex the layout is. A blind run took me about 45 minutes and even then I couldn't max it or find the (sole?) secret. It frequently feels like a Thief 1 or Thief 2 map where you have 20 entry points into a single crucial area, but the side paths are ultimately more interesting. While I definitely think that interconnectedness is a sign of good design, it's taken quite far here; a problem amplified by just how LARGE the map is. I'd wager that the "real" secret count including all sorts of hidden passages and switches is something closer to 10 or 15, yet I couldn't figure out the majority of these.

Loved it overall though, I know some new versions are on their way based on player feedback but I thought it would be useful to raise the points above for future projects maybe.

Thanks for the feedback, its really appreciated. I guess I can handle both of these: