Going Down was a mistake for me

[Griffonki]

I beat doom 2 and decided "I should play Going Down on UV!" I've been on it since August 2023, still on it, my thread before of "hey I only use shotgun" is now void because I went SSG because after map 14 I couldn't keep going, I truly have a skill issue. :)

[DoomGuy999]

1 hour ago, Griffonki said:

I beat doom 2 and decided "I should play Going Down on UV!" I've been on it since August 2023, still on it, my thread before of "hey I only use shotgun" is now void because I went SSG because after map 14 I couldn't keep going, I truly have a skill issue. :)

Maybe play on easier difficulty or actually use different weapons - it's ok to reach your doom skill limit.

[JackDBS]

Keep going. You'll get better. Push yourself to your limits.

[Bald Cyberdemon]

Hey! It's the shotgun scalie!

Honestly I think it's valid to set wacky self-imposed challenges with vanilla Doom and Doom 2. those levels were designed at the infancy of a whole new way of play, so after 30 years of FPS literacy going back to those stock levels can be a bit too much of a cakewalk without something to spice it up.

But even by 1996 mappers were getting familiar enough with the game to make maps of their own that are a proper challenge to get thru even with the most generous of playstyles, and that could not be truer for Going Down (well aside from the bit about being from '96)

I'm sure you've heard the story before in your former thread, but Cyriak did make GD with an 80's Konami philosophy to game challenge even for the lower difficulty settings with the expectation that players would play continuous. so don't feel bad for getting your ass handed to ya from it. I've got Plutonia, Rowdy Rudy 2, Tangerine Nightmare, and Valiant under my belt yet even when tackling it on HMP continuous; I can't even make it past map05.

[Murdoch]

Going down is never a mistake so long as permission is given first.

["JL" was too short]

Your title is inaccurate; Going Down isn't the mistake here.

[Amaruq Wulfe]

31 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

Going down is never a mistake so long as permission is given first.

 

Lewd.

[DoomGappy]

43 minutes ago, JackDBS said:

Keep going. You'll get better. Push yourself to your limits.

 

[Cilian]

Relatable. Currently playing a megawad that is very hard for me but I'm not allowing myself to abandon the playthrough since I'm so deep into it now (currently map27). When I want to doom I want to play something easy, remember that I'm supposed to be grinding the hard megawad and end up not playing. That happens often but sometimes I do make progress, so, there's gonna be an end to this eventually... This was a mistake, but it's too late to stop

[Amaruq Wulfe]

That's not much of a skill issue and more or less an issue of the game that you've beat previously. Doom 2 isn't really a difficult game to begin with (the entire thing for one thing lacks a difficulty progression like the first one). Use a lot of saves in your first playthroughs and learn the map's layout, the enemy placement and the health/item placement. You'll get better at this soon enough if you're to replay a section several times. 

 

It could be worse. You could've been playing Heretic.

[GibFrag]

Eatin' ain't cheatin'.

[SleepyVelvet]

1 hour ago, No-Man Baugh said:

~snip~

No-Man Baugh's post is good.  Most custom levels are more difficult than the original Doom II by miles.   And even between different custom levels, the way maps exercise-and-reward different skills-and-playstyles vary vastly from one another.  Even advice like "just play on HNTR" is kinda scuffed advice for a hundred reasons.  GD is particularly hard and chaotic.  If it's your first time playing GD, I'd just play it casually with saves and on whatever difficulty, really, for GD at least.  It's just a really good mapset on it's own.  At the end of the day, I don't think anything should prevent you from at least trying a self-imposed challenge if you're in the mood for some reason, just don't sink your ego or soul into it too deeply.

 

1 hour ago, Murdoch said:

Going down is never a mistake so long as permission is given first.

Not always true.  There's the old Pacifist Player saying, "Don't shoot your shotgun at crazy"

[Stabbey]

It's definitely a more difficult mapset. I've attempted it a few times but I keep losing interest and stopping partway. You may wish to test your skills on easier maps first. Final Doom (TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment) are "official" IWADS, although fan-made. They're a distinct step up - Plutonia being several steps up in fact.

 

2 hours ago, No-Man Baugh said:

I'm sure you've heard the story before in your former thread, but Cyriak did make GD with an 80's Konami philosophy to game challenge even for the lower difficulty settings with the expectation that players would play continuous. so don't feel bad for getting your ass handed to ya from it. I've got Plutonia, Rowdy Rudy 2, Tangerine Nightmare, and Valiant under my belt yet even when tackling it on HMP continuous; I can't even make it past map05.

 

Oh, it's supposed to be played continuous. Okay, then that changes things. I'd been trying to do it pistol starting each time.

 

[senpaigru]

It's an absolute blast on co-op 

[Mr. Freeze]

-me when my ex didn't wash 

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

I was considering going down, but when I got to the part with the pinky I had to stop. It had teeth, and there was blood all over the floor. With the help of steroids, I destroyed it with my fist and discovered it was too late to make a joke about it on a Doomworld thread. The wad is big, and the textures are divine, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Logamuffin]

10 hours ago, Griffonki said:

after map 14 I couldn't keep going,

Bro is going to have a stroke when he gets to Map19

 

 Or Map20, Map21, Map27, Map28…

 

Spoiler

No shade though, GD is my favorite vanilla-style megawad

[Griffonki]

On 3/17/2024 at 10:35 AM, Logamuffin said:

Bro is going to have a stroke when he gets to Map19

 

 Or Map20, Map21, Map27, Map28…

 

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No shade though, GD is my favorite vanilla-style megawad

:(

[Griffonki]

On 3/17/2024 at 4:17 AM, Stabbey said:

It's definitely a more difficult mapset. I've attempted it a few times but I keep losing interest and stopping partway. You may wish to test your skills on easier maps first. Final Doom (TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment) are "official" IWADS, although fan-made. They're a distinct step up - Plutonia being several steps up in fact.

 

 

Oh, it's supposed to be played continuous. Okay, then that changes things. I'd been trying to do it pistol starting each time.

 

I should play Plutonia first ngl.

[Griffonki]

On 3/17/2024 at 1:31 AM, No-Man Baugh said:

Hey! It's the shotgun scalie!

Honestly I think it's valid to set wacky self-imposed challenges with vanilla Doom and Doom 2. those levels were designed at the infancy of a whole new way of play, so after 30 years of FPS literacy going back to those stock levels can be a bit too much of a cakewalk without something to spice it up.

But even by 1996 mappers were getting familiar enough with the game to make maps of their own that are a proper challenge to get thru even with the most generous of playstyles, and that could not be truer for Going Down (well aside from the bit about being from '96)

I'm sure you've heard the story before in your former thread, but Cyriak did make GD with an 80's Konami philosophy to game challenge even for the lower difficulty settings with the expectation that players would play continuous. so don't feel bad for getting your ass handed to ya from it. I've got Plutonia, Rowdy Rudy 2, Tangerine Nightmare, and Valiant under my belt yet even when tackling it on HMP continuous; I can't even make it past map05.

"It's the shotgun scalie!" 

You made me burst out laughing

[Li'l devil]

Why can't UV just be easy? >:(

[Griffonki]

On 3/17/2024 at 2:26 AM, Amaruψ said:

That's not much of a skill issue and more or less an issue of the game that you've beat previously. Doom 2 isn't really a difficult game to begin with (the entire thing for one thing lacks a difficulty progression like the first one). Use a lot of saves in your first playthroughs and learn the map's layout, the enemy placement and the health/item placement. You'll get better at this soon enough if you're to replay a section several times. 

 

It could be worse. You could've been playing Heretic.

I guess that's fair, nice Loona pfp btw. :)

[Griffonki]

2 minutes ago, Li'l devil said:

Why can't UV just be easy? >:(

Why can't I just pew pew with standard shotgun on hard WADs made 20 years after the game released

[Scypek2]

How about with a gameplay mod? Seems perfect for a singular shotgun enjoyer.

[URROVA]

13 minutes ago, Scypek2 said:

How about with a gameplay mod? Seems perfect for a singular shotgun enjoyer.

Or replace SSG assets with the SG ones

[jmac]

IIRC, mouldy himself has stated in the past that going down is most fun when played on HMP. There's no reason to insist on sticking with UV.

[SitarA]

Going Down was a happy accident.

 

Anime was the real mistake, contributing to 90% of mental illnesses in western youth.

 

^{I'm kidding so don't bite me.}

Edited March 18 by OniriA

[Garland]

The difficulty scales of various WADs are all over the place. I never think of shaming anyone for playing at their preferred level, even though ITYTD is otherwise a very generous HNTR.

 

Going Down is very challenging for me; I can't consistently pistol start each level on HMP.

[Wilster_Wonkels]

Yeah giong down was a mistake for me too. I actually suffer from vertigo so when my significant other asked me to do it I got into this huge dizzy spell and couldn't think straight for hours.

 

Oh, you mean the mapset.

[Scuba Steve]

Sharing legendary @Eevee drawing for new 'Going Down' players...

 

https://x.com/eevee/status/1473462051909488640?s=20