Art Request

[Tim McDonald]

Hello, I just got a small commission request, I'm offering up to 35 dollars max for an art piece for the cover art of my game, if you're interested, add me on discord (thatoneirishmf), this is what styles you can expect me to ask for, thanks!

 

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[june gloom]

You really don't value artists' time, do you? bsharp's (very loose) guesstimate pins it at a lower bound of $45, and you still can't even offer that much. $35 for what you're asking is an insult to just about any artist.

[Tim McDonald]

Will you calm down? I already got some guy, you're acting like I just said several racial slurs, can you not understand that maybe I don't have enough money to do everything or my family is barely making it?

[june gloom]

Boohoo. I don't have any money either. You don't see me trying to get professional quality art for the price of a few burgers. Because artists have bills to pay too.

[Tim McDonald]

And you're not even considering that fact that maybe, just maybe, not all artists charge the same price?

[Hebonky]

4 hours ago, Mach 7 said:

 can you not understand that maybe I don't have enough money to do everything or my family is barely making it?

Then why the hell are you trying to pay for art? Do you not have better uses for that money?

[Coopersville]

Just for future reference: For something within the scale you're targeting, a commission these days would be in the ballpark of $60-100. I just checked, and a lower-end tshirt with a .jpg on it goes for around $20US. Extrapolate that to having a hyper specific request for something that takes a day or two just to draw, and you get the idea. 

 

That said, can we chill out a bit lol? Either someone is interested or they're not at this point. 

[june gloom]

10 minutes ago, Coopersville said:

ballpark of $60-100

 

This is very much a lowball. It's far more realistic to expect the piece to run you $100 or more. Even if it's ultimately intended to be low-resolution it has to be scaled down from something and that's what's going to cost you.

[Tim McDonald]

12 hours ago, june gloom said:

 

This is very much a lowball. It's far more realistic to expect the piece to run you $100 or more. Even if it's ultimately intended to be low-resolution it has to be scaled down from something and that's what's going to cost you.

Are you even an artist? Like if you're not an artist, why are you even here? How do you know there isn't an artist that charges 20 dollars for artpieces like that? Like-

 

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[Jayextee]

21 minutes ago, Mach 7 said:

Are you even an artist?

Hi. Artist here. Last title pic I drew for a WAD was considerably more than your $35 offer.

[Tim McDonald]

2 minutes ago, Jayextee said:

Hi. Artist here. Last title pic I drew for a WAD was considerably more than your $35 offer.

Alr, and I get what you're saying, but at this point I really should shut or delete this post because I just got a guy, thanks I guess?

[RataUnderground]

Greetings. Here is a professional artist.

First of all, there is no need to argue that 20, 30, 35, 45 or any figure below 100$ is very low. Between 100 and 200 is a "reduced" price, and from there we would be talking about a fair order. However, this rule applies to professionals. Someone who does it for other reasons doesn't necessarily have to stick to this.

Secondly, I believe that the OP has not broken any etiquette. No problem, this is a forum dedicated to a hobby, and it is possible that amateur people will willingly agree to make some art for that money. Nobody forces us by pointing a gun at anyone. Another thing would be if an artist clearly expressed what his rates are and this point was not respected.

I am quite shocked by how the conversation has heated up considering that no one seems to say anything when the forum is flooded with images generated by AI, these being much more offensive to the spirit of artistic creation.

[Tim McDonald]

1 minute ago, RataUnderground said:

Greetings. Here is a professional artist.

First of all, there is no need to argue that 20, 30, 35, 45 or any figure below 100$ is very low. Between 100 and 200 is a "reduced" price, and from there we would be talking about a fair order. However, this rule applies to professionals. Someone who does it for other reasons doesn't necessarily have to stick to this.

Secondly, I believe that the OP has not broken any etiquette. No problem, this is a forum dedicated to a hobby, and it is possible that amateur people will willingly agree to make some art for that money. Nobody forces us by pointing a gun at anyone. Another thing would be if an artist clearly expressed what his rates are and this point was not respected.

I am quite shocked by how the conversation has heated up considering that no one seems to say anything when the forum is flooded with images generated by AI, these being much more offensive to the spirit of artistic creation.

Thank you, and for the record, I'm not responding to this convo anymore, thanks you for your understanding, have a good day my sigmas.
 

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[june gloom]

I'm not your sigma.

 

46 minutes ago, RataUnderground said:

I am quite shocked by how the conversation has heated up considering that no one seems to say anything when the forum is flooded with images generated by AI, these being much more offensive to the spirit of artistic creation.

 

Prefacing this with the disclaimer that I don't want to turn this thread into yet another AI argument (and honestly it probably should be locked soon, I agree with that much.) Anyway, I think the two issues are coterminous in that both reflect contempt for artists. The same people who would pay Michaelangelo in "exposure" for the Sistine Chapel are the people who write pages-long thinkpieces about how artistic talent is an undue privilege and that AI is some kind of great equalizer that allows the average talentless techbro to rub shoulders with ivory tower elite artists. At the end of the day, it's about people like Mach not valuing the effort and time that artists put into their work, only the end result.

 

And to answer Mach's earlier question: while I do have some artistic inclinations I wouldn't consider myself an artist -- I mostly just doodle. (I'm more of a writer.) But I am friends with a great many artists and I have a pretty clear idea of what the kind of work that, say, Don Ivan Punchatz or whoever can do would go for in today's economy. A measly $35 ain't it.

[Tim McDonald]

26 minutes ago, june gloom said:

I'm not your sigma.

 

 

Prefacing this with the disclaimer that I don't want to turn this thread into yet another AI argument (and honestly it probably should be locked soon, I agree with that much.) Anyway, I think the two issues are coterminous in that both reflect contempt for artists. The same people who would pay Michaelangelo in "exposure" for the Sistine Chapel are the people who write pages-long thinkpieces about how artistic talent is an undue privilege and that AI is some kind of great equalizer that allows the average talentless techbro to rub shoulders with ivory tower elite artists. At the end of the day, it's about people like Mach not valuing the effort and time that artists put into their work, only the end result.

 

And to answer Mach's earlier question: while I do have some artistic inclinations I wouldn't consider myself an artist -- I mostly just doodle. (I'm more of a writer.) But I am friends with a great many artists and I have a pretty clear idea of what the kind of work that, say, Don Ivan Punchatz or whoever can do would go for in today's economy. A measly $35 ain't it.

Nuh uh.

[june gloom]

1 minute ago, Mach 7 said:

Nuh uh.

 

This u?

 

 

I get that you're feeling put-upon because you were (rightly) called out on your frankly insulting lowball offer -- and I remind you, you saw someone suggest $45 as a low end and you couldn't even meet that. But this is just childish. I'm not interested a dragged-out shouting match with you. You seem to have gotten what you wanted, so take your ball and go home like you said you would already, and let's see this thread locked.

[Tim McDonald]

Just now, june gloom said:

 

This u?

 

 

I get that you're feeling put-upon because you were (rightly) called out on your frankly insulting lowball offer -- and I remind you, you saw someone suggest $45 as a low end and you couldn't even meet that. But this is just childish. I'm not interested a dragged-out shouting match with you. You seem to have gotten what you wanted, so take your ball and go home like you said you would already, and let's see this thread locked.

Deal.

[Coopersville]

Jannies do it for free.